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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Estonia report April-June 2011
by Samuel Klein 06 Jul '11

06 Jul '11

Thank you, Teele! I like this style of report -- it is very easy to read. SJ On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Teele Vaalma <teele.vaalma(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Wikimedia Estonia report April-June 2011 > > ==Meetings== > > *April 1. Started regular biweekly wiki-meetings in Tartu Public Library. > Following meetings were held on April 15, April 29, May 13, and May 27. > Sadly participation was very low, starting time has to be changed in the > autumn. > > *April 9. Board meeting via Skype. > > *June 4. Board meeting in Tallinn. There were 9 chapter members present > (incl. 3 board members). (blog post: > http://wikimediaeesti.wordpress.com/2011/06/27/juunikuu-juhatuse-koosolek/) > > ==Other== > > *April 10. Started our chapter blog. (in Estonian, > http://wikimediaeesti.wordpress.com/) > > *April 20. Wikimedia Estonia and National Heritage Board signed an agreement > concerning cooperation on Wiki Loves Monuments contest in Estonia. > > *May 3-7. European Year of Volunteering Tour in Tallinn. Wikipedian Andres > Luure gave a talk on May 3 and chapter members were representing Estonian > Wikipedia and our chapter on May 5-6. (blog post: > http://wikimediaeesti.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/vabatahtlike-mess-ja-talgud/) > > *May 7. „Let’s do it“-day in Estonia. Chapter members took part in several > events in different locations in Estonia and promoted especially the Wiki > Loves Monuments contest. (see the previous link) > > *May 11-12. Teele Vaalma gave two talks on Wikipedia to students of Tartu > Vocational Education Center. > > *May 13-15. Raul Kern and Robert Reisman were Estonian representatives at > the Hackathon and Wiki Loves Monuments meeting in Berlin. > > *May 20. Award ceremony in Tallinn for the winners of Wikipedia article > contest about Nordic countries cooperation that was held March 23 – April > 30. (blog post: > http://wikimediaeesti.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/pohjamaade-koostoo-teemalise…) > > *June 8. Ivo Kruusamägi had a meeting with Estonian Institute about possible > cooperation between the Institute and Wikimedia Estonia. > > *May 1 – June 10. Translation contest in Estonian Wikipedia. A list was > compiled, that contained most important articles (from 1000 articles that > every Wikipedia should have), which are good or featured in some other > language version. Contestants chosed from that list articles they wanted to > translate. On June 17 winners were announced. (blog post: > http://wikimediaeesti.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/vikipeedia-tolketalgud-loppe…) > > ==Press== > > *May 1. Wikipedian Ave Maria Mõistlik talked about her contributions in a > radio broadcast „Kogu ja tegu“ (literally ’collection and deed’). > > *May 2. Press release for Wiki Loves Monuments. > (http://wikimediaeesti.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/pressiteade-fotovoistlus-kul…) > > *May 3. News item about the Translation contest > (http://www.postimees.ee/429055/eestikeelses-vikipeedias-algasid-tolketalgud/) > > *May 5. Longer article about the Translation contest > (http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/estonia/rita-niineste-vikipeedia-loob-kohta-selle…) > > *May 27. News item about regular meetings in Tartu. > (http://www.tartupostimees.ee/451044/tartus-peetakse-vikipeedia-taiendamise-…) > > *June 29. Article about Wiki Loves Monuments in Estonia (Russian) > (http://www.gazeta.ee/?p=19816). > > -- > Teele Vaalma > MTÜ Wikimedia Eesti > teele.vaalma(a)gmail.com > +372 5814 5381 > > > _______________________________________________ > Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately > directed to Foundation-L, the public mailing list about the Wikimedia > Foundation and its projects. For more information about Foundation-L: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list > WikimediaAnnounce-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l > > -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

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[Foundation-l] Merge wikis
by WereSpielChequers 05 Jul '11

05 Jul '11

We seem to be conflating three different things here, 1 Rebranding Wikipedia and possibly other projects, this is a perennial idea that I can't see ever convincing me or most wikimedians. I don't see this as being particularly relevant to the idea of merging wikis, so may I suggest that if people want to bring up the idea they differentiate it from the merge wikis thread by giving it a relevant subject such as Rebrand Wikipedia? They might also want to consider the arguments against this at http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_talk:Change_the_name_of_the_Wik… as there is not much point reviving an idea unless you have a response to the known fatal flaws in it. 2 Merging wikis where we have overlapping groups of editors working on different projects within the same language. So the Klingon Wikisource, WikiQuote, Wikinews and so forth would become different spaces within one wiki giving editors the benefit of single userpages and in many cases a larger crowd of editors. Some editors have objected to this on the not unreasonable grounds that some small projects would feel swamped if they were put in the same wiki as one of the large projects, and John vandenburg raised the issue that policy in such a wiki would necessarily be more complex than if we continued to have at least one wiki per project. I still think that we have much to gain here and especially that the wisdom of crowds requires crowds, but I'd like to suggest that we trial this by having some consenting languages work this way and see how well it could be made to work. 3 Merging wikis where we have the confusing situation of multiple wikis for the same project. So ten, strategy and outreach are all within the scope of Meta and as several people have said there is no benefit and considerable disbenefit in running them as separate wikis. Merging them into meta should be an easy and uncontentious win. Startegy and Outreach perhaps need their own spaces within Meta in the same way that Research has, and perhaps for ten we need a "meetup" space . WereSpielChequers On 5 July 2011 13:00, <foundation-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send foundation-l mailing list submissions to > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > foundation-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > foundation-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of foundation-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Merge wikis (Thomas Morton) > 2. Re: Merge wikis (Pharos) > 3. Re: Merge wikis (John Vandenberg) > 4. Re: Merge wikis (Pharos) > 5. Re: Merge wikis (John Vandenberg) > 6. The Signpost ? Volume 7, Issue 27 ? 4 July 2011 > (Wikipedia Signpost) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 00:11:50 +0100 > From: Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <-6316025283354768456@unknownmsgid> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 4 Jul 2011, at 23:57, Juergen Fenn <juergen.fenn(a)gmx.de> wrote: > >> >> >> Am 02.07.11 14:17 schrieb Alec Conroy: >>>> if you talk to the press, or to media experts, they all know >>>> "Wikipedia" but not "Wikimedia". The most simple and reasonable way is >>>> to use the famous brand, not to invest in "Wikimedia". >>> >>> >>> There's an even bigger opportunity here-- >>> Make a brand new brand name that captures the ideology better than >>> Wikipedia-Mediawiki-Wikimedia. >>> Wikipedia's an encyclopedia, Mediawiki's the software, Wikimedia's the >>> ISP-- and none of those names capture the "spirit of the movement". >>> Coming up with a good brand name and associating it with our movement >>> and our foundation-- whether the foundation ever changes its name >>> formally or not, there should be a brand name for "Wikimedia >>> projects, their users, and their allies". And unlike our other brand >>> names, this one should actually be inspiring to people who don't >>> already know what it means. >> >> I beg your pardon, but Ziko and WereSpielChequers are absolutely right >> here. You won't manage to introduce another brand name after ten years >> of Wikipedia. Even if you tried, it would be to no avail. It was a huge >> mistake to introduce the sister projects under a different brand and to >> keep them apart from Wikipedia proper. After all, it did not foster >> creativity and diversity, but it rather split the movement into parts > > I disagree, speaking from a position of some experience. > > Wikipedia was not marketed well, per se. It was an innovative ANC > exciting idea, launched at the right time to the right audience. > > Even to this date; very little serious marketing had been done. > > Now. With that said I agree - there is not a lot of point trying to > establish a new brand. But WikiMedia is worth pursuing as an umbrella. > This is a new decade, the internet has moved on (in a way it could be > said to have left us behind, and we survive by being well known) and > this is the perfect opportunity to work on the brand. > > Im very hopeful the board has something to input here; this is > squarely in their ballpark and we need quick and pivotal action on it. > > This is not at all a re-branding issue but one of brand-extension - > something any marketer would be on top of! > > I do agree that more interaction should be fostered (although > independence is a good thing for projects with radically different > aims) and that smaller projects should be offered the opportunity to > hijack wikipedias brand to Market themselves. > > But remember they are still a little behind WP in age, in a few years > they will hopefully pervade our consciousness in the same way. > > Tom > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 20:38:56 -0400 > From: Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAJcrdm4uRzmmKCZVkJ1EDVxY+9a_9qWUYPTqyhaRmLoHDpzvBA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 07/01/2011 11:52 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: >>> One thing I find irritating and complex about our structure is the >>> proliferation of small wikis. Now I've no objection to the idea that >>> we have a wiki for every language on Earth, though where languages are >>> mutually intelligible such as the major dialects of English ?it seems >>> sensible to me that we combine them in one wiki - if necessary with >>> spelling and alphabet being subject to user preference. >>> >>> But I see no reason why ten wiki, Strategy and the various wikimanias >>> each need their own wiki as opposed to being projects within meta. >>> >>> On a broader and more radical note, why do we need separate wikis for >>> wikiquote, wikiversity, wikipedia wikinews and wiktionary? Surely each >>> of those could be separate namespaces within a language wiki? >>> >>> This would make it much easier when people create an article on >>> wikipedia that is really a wiktionary or wikinews article as one could >>> just move it. It would immediately reduce the number of userpages, >>> watchlists and usertalk pages that one needed to maintain to one per >>> language (plus meta and commons). It would also foster cooperation >>> between editors across what are currently different projects if you >>> had one wiki for each language, as individual wikiprojects would now >>> work across what are currently quite separate ?news, quote and pedia >>> projects. >> >> Thanks for raising this issue. Previously discussed system of redirects >> and Incubator Extension [1] would help not just to the Incubator, but to >> the languages with smaller amount of speakers, as well as to Meta forks. >> So, instead of having numerous meta wikis, we could have just one >> (Meta), with separate namespaces, which would get redirects. Thus, >> namespace "Strategy:" could be strategy.wikimedia.org; namespace >> "Research" could be research.wikimedia.org etc. >> >> [1] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/235020?page=last > > > I agree, a focus on new namespaces (perhaps with differentiated > editing permissions, per Liam) certainly looks like the best path > forward to me. > > Thanks, > Richard > (User:Pharos) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 15:02:17 +1000 > From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAO9U_Z4oPd=AakPPe4VgjxyrYhBvvdy55V6i30g7cDd79Sabxg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> .. >> >> >> I agree, a focus on new namespaces (perhaps with differentiated >> editing permissions, per Liam) certainly looks like the best path >> forward to me. > > Or we could just leave the sister projects alone. That is also a viable option. > > For the English projects, clear separation between the projects is > necessary so that they can grow different cultures. The sister > projects are progressing nicely enough. > > It is much easier to tell a potential transcriber about the Wikisource > project, as opposed to trying to warn them about all the policies of > Wikipedia, most of which have no bearing on transcribing. > > -- > John Vandenberg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 01:12:18 -0400 > From: Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAJcrdm7qK7M9vMiRgC_sW5FehYAdddm_jXvt1h=gxOXo6b2Ejw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:02 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> .. >>> >>> >>> I agree, a focus on new namespaces (perhaps with differentiated >>> editing permissions, per Liam) certainly looks like the best path >>> forward to me. >> >> Or we could just leave the sister projects alone. ?That is also a viable option. > > [snip] > > Clarify: I mean new namespaces are the best way forward for our > Meta-type content ("Strategy:", "Outreach:", "Research:", etc). > > Thanks, > Richard > (User:Pharos) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:11:11 +1000 > From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAO9U_Z5Pw32msoTeOQDLNvpE1OGTkEsYp7TmMHq3TnvSf9VX9g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:02 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> .. >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree, a focus on new namespaces (perhaps with differentiated >>>> editing permissions, per Liam) certainly looks like the best path >>>> forward to me. >>> >>> Or we could just leave the sister projects alone. ?That is also a viable option. >> >> [snip] >> >> Clarify: I mean new namespaces are the best way forward for our >> Meta-type content ("Strategy:", "Outreach:", "Research:", etc). >> >> Thanks, >> Richard > > Thanks for clarifying Richard. I agree with merging those meta > projects together. > > -- > John Vandenberg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:05:31 +0200 > From: Wikipedia Signpost <wikipediasignpost(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Foundation-l] The Signpost ? Volume 7, Issue 27 ? 4 July > 2011 > To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Cc: wikimediaannounce-l <WikimediaAnnounce-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAEqKY4+NSfp6MAUUWZZ_zeJQbsMPN97RpDVgApPYvBzkkN2ySw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > News and notes: Picture of the Year 2010; data challenge; brief news > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/News_a… > > In the news: WikiLove roll-out; ?25,000 in damages for being removed > from Wikipedia; brief news > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/In_the… > > WikiProject report: The Star-Spangled WikiProject > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/WikiPr… > > Featured content: Two newly promoted portals > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/Featur… > > Arbitration report: Arb resigns while mailing list leaks continue; > Motion re: admin > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/Arbitr… > > Technology report: June report: Virginia datacenter, parser, user > profiles; WikiLove 1.0; brief news > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/Techno… > > > Single page view > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single > > > PDF version > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04 > > > > http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost > > -- > Wikipedia Signpost Staff > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > End of foundation-l Digest, Vol 88, Issue 11 > ******************************************** >

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[Foundation-l] The Signpost – Volume 7, Issue 27 – 4 July 2011
by Wikipedia Signpost 05 Jul '11

05 Jul '11

News and notes: Picture of the Year 2010; data challenge; brief news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/News_a… In the news: WikiLove roll-out; €25,000 in damages for being removed from Wikipedia; brief news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/In_the… WikiProject report: The Star-Spangled WikiProject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/WikiPr… Featured content: Two newly promoted portals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/Featur… Arbitration report: Arb resigns while mailing list leaks continue; Motion re: admin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/Arbitr… Technology report: June report: Virginia datacenter, parser, user profiles; WikiLove 1.0; brief news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04/Techno… Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-07-04 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost

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Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis
by Aaron Adrignola 04 Jul '11

04 Jul '11

> > From: Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:48:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis > > That discussion was interesting for this one, because it brings up issues > such as that merging even a relatively small wiki like ten (565 content > pages, 3,204 total pages) into Meta would probably take some considerable > work. > We did something similar when Simple English Wikibooks was closed and its content merged to English Wikibooks [1]. I note that there's been protest on the discussion page that the content would be out of scope for Meta, however. This reminds me when content was pushed from Meta to Wikibooks [2] for MakerFaire 2010 [3], supposedly with the blessing of stewards and Cary Bass [4]. This content is "out of scope" for Wikibooks, especially given its encyclopedic format, but it goes to show that a project's scope can evolve. Wikibooks used to host video game strategy guides, for instance (and had a lot more visitors as a result). -- Adrignola [1] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Simple_English_merger [2] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/MakerFairePedia [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/San_Francisco/Maker_Faire_2010 [4] http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Category:MakerFairePedia&oldid=17…

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[Foundation-l] FW: Call for input: Strategic planning at Wikimedia Australia
by Ryan Lomonaco 04 Jul '11

04 Jul '11

Forwarded on behalf of a non-member. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jutta von Dincklage <jutta.von(a)cancer.org.au> Date: Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM Subject: FW: Call for input: Strategic planning at Wikimedia Australia To: "foundation-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org" < foundation-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Dear All,**** Wikimedia Australia’s Strategic Planning group, a sub-committee of the WMAu Committee, is currently working hard to develop a strategic plan for the organisation. We are seeking input from all our members, the friends of WMAu, and community stakeholders. An initial Strategic Planning Subcommittee workshop on the 16th and 17th July will deliberate over these issues including submissions received up to 15th July.**** ** ** We know that this is short notice, but Wikimedia Australia would welcome your ideas by 15 July 2011 (before our first strategic planning workshop on 16-17 July)!**** ** ** *How to contribute your ideas and suggestions* **1. **Read our strategic planning pages<http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Strategic_Planning> **** **2. **Submit your suggestions on our Wikimedia Australia's ideascale page <http://strategywmau.ideascale.com/>**** ** ** Wikimedia Australia members can also discuss ideas on our public discussion place <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Billabong> and the private mailing list <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Mailing_list>.**** ** ** *Timeline: 1 July - 15 July 2011* ** ** We look forward to hearing about your suggestions.**** ** ** ** ** Best wishes,**** ** ** Wikimedia Australia Strategic Planning Sub-committee**** -- [[User:Ral315]]

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Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 88, Issue 9
by WereSpielChequers 04 Jul '11

04 Jul '11

If merging existing wikis is resource intensive, lets start the process by not creating new wikis for thins that should be projects within existing wikis. So wikimania 2012, or if it is too late for that Wikimania 2013 could be a project within meta. But my suspicion is that a bit of development and the adding of appropriate suffixes would make merger of wikis straightforward - and worth doing as this would go a long way towards encouraging collaboration across wikis and making the whole operation more understandable and functional. Remember the concept of the wisdom of crowds rather relies on there being crowds, so the more we hive things off into standalone wikis the more we undermine the essence that makes this place work. WSC > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 22:56:43 -0700 > From: Alec Conroy <alecmconroy(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CA+Gi05DLGhp+nxoPciGxQ_QqECpGVtKQ0d-j3f92=LFSGsPeZA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> That discussion was interesting for this one, because it brings up issues >> such as that merging even a relatively small wiki like ten (565 content >> pages, 3,204 total pages) into Meta would probably take some considerable >> work. > > We need to lower barriers to cross-project collaboration. A > SUL-linked userspace and crossproject transclusion will be a good > first start. We ultimately want to be in a place where merges can > be done with only trivial effort. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > End of foundation-l Digest, Vol 88, Issue 9 > ******************************************* >

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[Foundation-l] Lessons from Wikipedia
by Fred Bauder 03 Jul '11

03 Jul '11

http://therexpedition.com/?p=59

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[Foundation-l] Fwd: wikiEducation: The Classroom Wikipedia
by Ryan Lomonaco 02 Jul '11

02 Jul '11

Forwarded to the list on behalf of a non-member. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jacob Franklin <jake.franklin2(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:39 PM Subject: wikiEducation: The Classroom Wikipedia To: foundation-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org Dear WikiMedia, In recent weeks I have been reading about the work of your foundation and all of the wikipages you have created. The scope of your organization is vast, along with the amount of people who use its tools. I believe that this incredible reach gives you a wonderful opportunity to positively affect the lives of many people. My name is Jake Franklin and I am an educator. I graduated from Colby College with a degree in Philosophy in 2008. Since then I have been teaching English in Shenyang, China and studying Chinese. Next year I am planning to return to the US to go to graduate school for a Masters in Educational Policy or International Education. I am extremely passionate about improving the educational opportunities, tools, and resources for all students. I believe that giving all students access to quality education both enriches their educational experience and provides them with a strong foundation to build towards a better future. It is because of this dedication to the enrichment of education that I wish to develop a relationship with your foundation. I have an idea that I am passionate about and dedicated to and am writing this email to introduce it to you. The basic idea is to create a version of wikipedia that is exclusively written and edited by students. It is called wikiEducation. There is one site for each grade level, and teachers can sign up their classes to be writers and editors. The site grows through students submitting their work as wikiEducation articles, which are then edited by other students. By pairing collective responsibility and a published presence, wikiEducation gives both writers and editors a sense of achievement, a feeling of responsibility and a relationship with each other that would be absent without this tool. Moreover giving students ownership of the information on the site motivates them to develop more intimate and long-lasting relationships with the material. I think the idea would work best if implemented through the Wikimedia Foundation and therefore have come to you first. I think that you have the people and experience to build the site in the best possible way. I would like to work with you to bring this idea to fruition. I don’t have the technical know-how to build a website but I do have the desire, drive and experience to bridge the gap between the technical aspects of website building and the creation of an effective teaching tool. WikiEducation’s success depends on teacher use. I can work with the teachers and the builders to create a highly functional website that teachers will enjoy using. The detailed business plan includes; a more detailed description of the site, information about the site’s special features, market analysis, and potential problems along with suggested solutions. Please let me know whom I should send the plan to, and how I can continue to play a role in its creation. Sincerely, Jake Franklin Email: jake.franklin2(a)gmail.com Skype: jakefranklin2 -- [[User:Ral315]]

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[Foundation-l] Languages and numbers
by Milos Rancic 02 Jul '11

02 Jul '11

While preparing Missing Wikipedias [1], I've got numbers of speakers and languages by area and country with chapter not covered by Wikipedias. Numbers are preliminary, some of them should be corrected. I didn't exclude Han languages, which mostly shouldn't be counted, and similar. Note, also, that every language should be analyzed separately. Many languages are spoken not just inside of one country. Please, fix errors and comment. * * * Areas. They approximate the usual definitions of areas, but they are different because of linguistic corrections. * Afro-Asiatic Area: Area where Afro-Asiatic languages are dominant. North Africa + Middle East + Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia - Iran. * Europe: Europe (including Caucasus) includes Turkey. * South Asia: South Asia + Iran. Dominantly Indo-European and Dravidian languages. * Sub-Saharan Africa: The rest of Africa. * Polynesia, Australia and Oceania: Includes Malaysia and Taiwan (Taiwanese languages not covered in Wikipedias are dominantly Austronesian.) * East Asia: Han China "China (Central)", Korea and Japan. * South-East Asia: Includes non-Han south China "China (South)". * Latin America: Parts of America where Spanish and Portuguese are official languages. * Anglo-French America: Parts of America where English, French and Dutch are official languages. * North Asia: Asian part of former USSR, Mongolia and non-Han northern and western China "China (North)". The first column is number of speakers, the second number of languages, the third is area. 399259294 592 South Asia 353676706 1805 Sub-Saharan Africa 221855457 253 Afro-Asiatic Area 138979263 2198 Polynesia, Australia and Oceania 107363760 37 East Asia 99260271 447 South-East Asia 47901185 143 Europe 30361602 724 Latin America 8481452 227 Anglo-French America 3724384 45 North Asia * * * Countries with chapters. (Numbers are not fully correct, as they include some languages removed in the list below this one.) If any chapter (or interested group) is interested in full list of missing languages, I'll provide it by request before completing the work. I suppose that some chapters are interested in languages with less than 100K of speakers, as well. 296,097,274 349 India 71,356,176 681 Indonesia 46,676,395 157 Philippines 7,819,010 9 Germany 7,994,871 76 Russian Federation 5,386,580 5 Serbia 4,785,299 6 South Africa 2,841,300 17 Israel 1,139,750 4 Ukraine 1,085,931 125 United States 832,000 3 Netherlands 705,967 70 Canada 472,470 1 Czech Republic 375,704 17 Taiwan 313,642 6 Chile 246,900 3 United Kingdom 200,500 4 Spain 191,430 5 Poland 151,240 7 Sweden 132,809 12 Argentina 86,390 155 Australia 50,000 1 France 30,000 1 Hungary 29,980 4 Switzerland 17,460 5 Finland 15,000 1 Portugal 10,500 2 Norway 5,000 1 Denmark 4,500 1 Estonia Languages with more than million or more than 100,000 of speakers without Wikipedia and with chapter in the country: India (more than million) 38261000 Awadhi 34700000 Maithili 17500000 Chhattisgarhi 13000000 Magahi 13000000 Haryanvi 12800000 Deccan 10400000 Malvi 9500000 Kanauji 9000000 Dhundari 7760000 Bagheli 6970000 Varhadi-Nagpuri 6170900 Santali 6000000 Lambadi 5622600 Marwari 5000000 Mewati 4730000 Hadothi 4004490 Konkani 3900000 Merwari 3800000 Mina 3633900 Konkani, Goan 3000000 Shekhawati 3000000 Godwari 2920000 Garhwali 2680000 Indian Sign Language 2360000 Kumaoni 2110000 Dogri 2100000 Bagri 2094200 Kurux 2000000 Mewari 1970000 Sadri 1950000 Tulu 1950000 Gondi, Northern 1930000 Waddar 1710000 Wagdi 1700000 Kangri 1580000 Khandesi 1560280 Mundari 1543300 Bodo 1500000 Ho 1430000 Nimadi 1391000 Meitei 1300000 Bhili 1200000 Vasavi 1150000 Bhilali 1045000 Panjabi, Mirpur 1000000 Pahari, Mahasu Indonesia (more than million) 13600900 Madura 5530000 Minangkabau 3930000 Musi 3502300 Banjar 3330000 Bali 2700000 Betawi 2350000 Malay, Central 2100000 Sasak 2000000 Batak Toba 1880000 Malay, Makassar 1600000 Makasar 1200000 Batak Simalungun 1200000 Batak Dairi 1100000 Batak Mandailing 1000000 Malay, Jambi Philippines (more than 100k) 5770000 Hiligaynon 2500000 Bicolano, Central 1900000 Bicolano, Albay 1062000 Tausug 1000000 Maguindanao 776000 Maranao 639000 Capiznon 540000 Bontoc, Central 500000 Ibanag 395000 Inakeanon 378000 Kinaray-a 350000 Masbatenyo 345000 Surigaonon 319000 Sama, Southern 293000 Chavacano 234000 Bicolano, Iriga 200000 Romblomanon 200000 Bantoanon 185000 Sorsogon, Waray 150000 Kankanaey 150000 Blaan, Koronadal 147000 Davawenyo 140000 Subanen, Central 134000 Itawit 123000 Cuyonon 122000 Bicolano, Northern Catanduanes 111000 Ibaloi 107000 Yakan 100000 Philippine Sign Language 100000 Binukid Germany 4910000 Mainfränkisch 2000000 Saxon, Upper 819000 Swabian Russian Federation 783720 Lezgi 696630 Erzya 614000 Moksha 516490 Dargwa 499300 Adyghe 460090 Mari, Meadow 422550 Kumyk 413000 Ingush 363000 Yakut 264400 Tuva 217000 Komi-Zyrian 164420 Lak 128900 Tabassaran 113710 Balkar Serbia and Kosovo 4156090 Albanian, Gheg 709570 Romani, Balkan 318920 Romani, Sinte 172000 Romano-Serbian South Africa 4101000 Sotho, Northern 640000 Ndebele Israel 1762320 Yiddish, Eastern 352500 Arabic, Judeo-Tunisian 258930 Arabic, Judeo-Moroccan 110000 Bukharic 100130 Arabic, Judeo-Iraqi United States 600000 Hawai’i Creole English 250000 Sea Island Creole English Netherlands 592000 Gronings 220000 Zeeuws Canada 402900 Plautdietsch Czech Republic 472470 Romani, Carpathian Taiwan 138000 Amis Chile 300039 Mapudungun United Kingdom 202900 Angloromani Spain 102000 Spanish Sign Language Sweden 109600 Finnish, Tornedalen

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Re: [Foundation-l] merge wikis
by Robin McCain 02 Jul '11

02 Jul '11

It seems silly to proliferate so many wikis when many of them focus on related issues. It becomes the nightmare of having to visit the web site of every user group every few hours vs having all the new posts sent via email to one address so you save time. The real question to me seems to be how to make the software capable of sharing data across silos. Our hardware is much more robust than 10 years ago, our software has matured and now it is time to do content aggregation. We can (and probably should) use the name with the widest recognition as the root of our tree. Then all the branches can continue to function "as if" they were independent for a time - even though they are part of the same trunk. Over time their quirks will need to be harmonized and fiefdoms consolidated into a coherent whole. We already use disambiguation pages to distinguish between topics with similar names, go one step further and have a multiple articles page. Some contributors have great insight but terrible writing skills and that is where the skills of an editor are needed. Having to police all the differing opinions of supposedly factual matters is more of a censorship (shudder - who will watch the watchers?) or judicial function. Thank goodness for the page history function. I've setup and used several wikis inhouse, and currently run MediaWiki on the server. The biggest problem I have is with user fears - fear of creating a new page, fear of doing something someone else "should" be doing, learning curve issues. Currently teams are working on a better GUI experience that will (hopefully) make it much easier for a new user to be able to contribute productive work without having to learn a new programming language. Creating a disambiguation page is a good example of something that should be relatively easy to do the first time rather than spend 3 or 4 hours learning how to do it in the current wiki programming environment.

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