Wikimedia-l June 2011

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[Foundation-l] Board candidates look like Brežnev
by Federico Leva (Nemo) 05 Jun '11

05 Jun '11

<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Board_elections/2011#Candidates_look_li…> Italian intermezzo with a point (I hope). Sorry, I couldn't resist. Nemo

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Re: [Foundation-l] wikiedia.org
by HW 05 Jun '11

05 Jun '11

I made two screenshots for this website, at http://ppt.cc/9K3t and http://ppt.cc/T,ZA . Chinese version may contain something like Wikipedia logo and English version contain something like the vector skin. Should Wikimedia Foundation act immediately? Discussion also on meta's forum and zhwp WP:COMPLAINT . HW from zhwiki

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[Foundation-l] YouTube and Creative Commons
by Jon Harald Søby 04 Jun '11

04 Jun '11

With the news that YouTube will start letting users choose to upload their videos under CC-by, what will be the way we deal with it? Should we open for embedding videos directly from YouTube, or should they be uploaded to Commons first? The only reason I can see for not allowing embedding is that embedding would be promoting YouTube; but that is still much better than the alternative, IMO, which would be a big hassle for editors, and could take a huge chunk of our resources (and when there is a good alternative like in this case, why should we burden ourselves with that?). Any thoughts? -- mvh Jon Harald Søby <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by>

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Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?
by Thomas Morton 04 Jun '11

04 Jun '11

Hmm, assuming that el-Reg article is the full extent of the issue, then there seems no reason to demand a global ban. Bad stuff happened on WP with him impersonating real people, that seems to be dealt with. Unless there is anything more, the response seems kosher... Except other comments indicate this is not the extent of it. Here is the problem; the el'reg article is a load of rubbish, of little information in relation to *why this person is bad news for the whole of WMF. *My inclination on these matters is, generally, to be harsh and get rid of them. But you're making it very difficult with the vague and meaningless responses to make me, personally, come out and support such an action. No offence, but.. any of his on-wiki or within-WMF activities should be fine for public knowledge, and I fail to see why the wider majority should be asked to comment or support these actions without running over the basic details. In case my point isn't obvious *that *is why global bans are probably seeing so much resistance. Secretive shit. Yes, I am pushing hard here. But this sort of discussion should not be taken lightly; *what sort of activity requires a global ban*? Tom (p.s. the signpost link doesn't work for me - if that addresses my above issues then apologies) On 4 June 2011 01:54, Scott MacDonald <doc.wikipedia(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l- > > bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > > Sent: 04 June 2011 01:41 > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister? > > > > Not at all! That would be bad, and misses the point - I don't care at > > all > > who he is in meat space. > > > > But consider me unable to pick apart the million threads of information > > about his on-wiki activities. I've tried, and need a better intro. > > > > Tom > > > > Far be it from me to point anyone to the Register, but this is the best > record I can find. > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/19/wikipedia_civil_servant_scandal/prin > t.html > > See also: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-09-15/Poetlis > ter > > > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >

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[Foundation-l] Wikimedia at events
by MZMcBride 04 Jun '11

04 Jun '11

Hi. Is there a breakdown of who the Wikimedia Foundation sends to particular events or what events Wikimedia participates in? I know that Wikimedia sends a lot of people to a lot of conferences (and unconferences and hackathons and manias), so I assume there's some kind of record somewhere on Meta-Wiki. Does anyone know of such a list? I'm particularly curious about who's being sent to the upcoming Wikimania (which could be a question for the Wikimania 2011 organizers, I don't know). A fine-grained list (listing particular people sent to particular events) or a broad list (listing all events that Wikimedia sends any number of people to) would be great. MZMcBride

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[Foundation-l] Reminder: IRC general meeting today
by phoebe ayers 04 Jun '11

04 Jun '11

Reminder: general meeting today in a couple hours (1800 UTC). Bring your agenda items and topics for discussion with others, etc. (see below for the original idea). Casual, moderated by Mono and myself. freenode#wikimedia best, Phoebe On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:40 PM, phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all! We have not had an open IRC meeting in a while... but next > Saturday, June 4 is the first Saturday in June, and it would be good > to have a revival! I've suggested meeting at 18:00 UTC. > > Sign up, discuss topics and meeting times on Meta: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_meetings#June_4.2C_2011 > > best, > Phoebe > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:54 AM, phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Back in September we had an open community IRC meeting, where we >> introduced the new Trustees and talked about various issues. It was >> pretty successful and we discussed afterwards making such "community >> meetings" a regular event. >> >> I'd like to revive this idea :) I've made a proposal for having >> community meetings on the first Saturday of the month: >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_meetings >> >> Which would make the first upcoming meeting on February 5. >> >> I proposed 17:00UTC as a time, but please discuss good days/times on >> the talk page if you are interested in attending; we'll need to rotate >> times. >> >> I envision this as not really a Q&A session like the staff office >> hours, but rather as a chance for community members to get together >> and talk about important issues in a structured way. To that end, >> please add your proposed agenda items to the wiki. It would also be >> great to have some volunteers to take notes/moderate. >> >> Of course this is just an experiment -- but there seemed to be a lot >> of interest in having such meetings, so I'd like to try it out. Let me >> know what you think and if you'd be interested. >> >> best, >> Phoebe >> >> -- >> * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers >> <at> gmail.com * >> > -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers <at> gmail.com *

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Re: [Foundation-l] Blocking of Wikipedia Pages
by James Heilman 04 Jun '11

04 Jun '11

My local IT got back to me today and agreed to unblock all of Wikipedia for all 25,000 computers they manage. A bit of success for increasing access. IMO Wikimedia needs to stay on top of these issues. I have emailed Websense who created the list my institution uses. We need to work with them so that they create separate categories for health information. Maybe if Websense was contact by the WMF? -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

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[Foundation-l] Introducing the Grant Advisory Committee
by Asaf Bartov 04 Jun '11

04 Jun '11

Hello, everyone. To those of you not (yet) following the Wikimedia Blog, let me point your attention to my (first) blog post, introducing the Grant Advisory Committee: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/06/03/gac-it-up-introducing-the-grant-adviso… Thanks, Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation

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[Foundation-l] Doctors Again
by Fred Bauder 03 Jun '11

03 Jun '11

"Across all markets a surprising 75% of doctors in the 51-60 age groups stated that they regularly used Wikipedia for professional use." http://www.responsesource.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=65076 They edit a lot too. It is unlikely that any doctor while under oath in discovery or testifying at a trial would admit that they consulted Wikipedia regarding any matter, especially regarding any erroneous information they may have relied on. Fred

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Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?
by Thomas Morton 03 Jun '11

03 Jun '11

Given the situation can we not be clear on the details of this? I have various views on the matter, but all of them really depend on what exactly this person did. As with all such matters I see no reason why discussion of the details cannot be conducted visibly, and if provided with the adequate level of detail I would be happy to venture an opinion. But precluding that, you are asking the views of a group of people who probably do not have a full (or event partial) view of the facts of this case... for which you are asking for a global response.... And you are then wondering why they question this issue! I think there is no question is cases such as this; lay the details plainly, and screw any pussy footing around the details. If this individual has a history that means BAD THINGS will happen, I feel details will sway more than allusions. Tom On 4 June 2011 00:36, Scott MacDonald <doc.wikipedia(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l- > > bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Vandenberg > > Sent: 04 June 2011 00:10 > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister? > > > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Scott MacDonald > > <doc.wikipedia(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > On Behalf Of George Herbert > > >> Right. Merely staying pseudonymous or anonymous is supported, but > > >> taking on some other real life person's identity on English Language > > >> Wikipedia is clearly prohibited now, and should be. It's bad for > > all > > >> the same reasons that real life identity theft is bad. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Woah > > > > > > Taking on some other real life person's identity on English Language > > > Wikipedia IS real life identity theft!!! > > > > > > Remember, Wikipedia exists in the real world - not just in the one it > > > creates. > > > > they are only allegations until proven in a real world court. and > > that has not happened. > > > > -- > > John Vandenberg > > Utterly irrelevant. > > Poetlister (or Mr Baxter, or whatever) pretended to be a woman - and used > pictures of a real person of his acquaintance, without her permission - and > this screwed up "assume good faith" and "there's only allegations" approach > meant that we disbelieved the complaints made to us on behalf of the person > concerned. That's on top of the socking, harassment, and lies he told the > community. It looks like you are not recalling or aquatinted with the facts > here. > > No, they have not been "tested in a court of law" but they remain clear and > logical conclusions from evidence (and if I recall) the admissions of the > individual concerned. Please let's stop making excuses for this. > > I suspect others will be in a better position to fill you in than I am. > > Scott > > > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >

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