Decisions at Wikipedia are not based a vote. The majority support
Pending Changes and insufficient reasons have been put forwards by
those who wish to see it quashed. I would like to thank Erik Moeller
for the difficult discussion he has made. It is impossible to make
everyone happy sometimes.
I support PC for a number of reasons including.
1) Concerns are voiced both by academia and our readership regarding
Wikipedia's reliability. Pending changes addresses some of these
concerns. Thus there is a good chance that "pending changes" will not
only increase our readership but the number of people who edit. No one
wants to put in the work to create something good or excellent just to
have it vandalized and left un-repaired.
2) Vandals like to see their work go "live". Pending changes stops
this and will thus potentially decrease the entire volume of
vandalism. Most vandals will not be willing to pit in the effort to
get around these measures.
3) We will have a tool to allow the world to seamlessly contribute to
a greater part of Wikipedia. Instead of semi protecting some pages (
and thus making it difficult for IPs to contribution ) we can use PC
to make Wikipedia more open per our founding principles.
MD, CCFP-EM, B.Sc.
Think big Milos. Wikimedia Germany is even better organized than Kosovo. Let
Kosovo alone and put Germany in Serbia.
Who do you think can succeed better promoting the projects in Kosovo,
Wikimedia Serbia, Wikimedia Kosovo, or both?
We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:09:02 +0200
> From: Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100
> Press Release
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 14:06, Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:14, Gerard Meijssen
> > <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the
> set up
> >> of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine. Giving
> >> a vote on this is not. Given that Kosovo is a separate jurisdiction
> >> that it fulfils the basic requirement. Given that Hong Kong and New York
> >> have chapters the case for Kosovo to have a chapter is at least as
> strong if
> >> not stronger.
> > In fact, they are better organized than Wikimedia Serbia, which is
> > partially my fault.
> And, in fact, they are the reason why I want Kosovo in Serbia ;) Their
> organization is strong and their potentials are stronger.
This is spammy and OT -- but still may be of interest to people on
this list. I can vouch for the awesomeness of the localwiki project,
which is trying to make local and city wikis (like the amazing Davis
Wiki, which serves my hometown) for the world. Free, local, open and
nonprofit -- and they're raising money, and need to raise a bunch more
in the next week to get their kickstarter grant funded. If this
project is successful, they will help grow an essential part of the
free content/collaborative landscape that Wikimedia by and large
doesn't serve at all.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Ivanov <mivanov(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 3:57 PM
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] LocalWiki project needs your support
Hi folks, my name is Mike Ivanov, I am one of the co-founders of the
Davis Wiki, currently the largest local community wiki in the world,
where nearly every local resident uses the wiki and 1 in 7 contribute
LocalWiki (http://localwiki.org) is our new non-profit project to
create the next generation of wiki software designed specifically for
local communities and promote the use of community wikis as a new kind
of collaborative, community-owned local media. We want to apply the
lessons we learned building the Davis Wiki to help as many communities
as possible create the same kind of useful, engaging local resource.
The technical costs of this project are covered by a grant from the
Knight Foundation, but in order to reach more communities and have
more of an impact, we are raising an additional $25,000 for community
outreach and education. If you support this project, please make a
pledge on our Kickstarter page at http://kck.st/a5vx43 and help us
spread the word. We are a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, so your donation is
tax-deductible. Nearly 300 people have already donated over $17,000
as of today, and we only have 5 days left in this all-or-nothing
pledge drive. We cannot do this without your support.
You can read more about LocalWiki at http://www.localwiki.org
(@localwiki on Twitter) or about the Knight Foundation grant at
http://www.newschallenge.org/winner/2010/local-wiki and I would be
happy to answer any questions or comments.
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> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:46:19 +0100
> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
> Yes, what I wrote doesn't really make sense, does it? What I meant was
> that separate chapters is probably best for the WM movement, not
> counting the negative impact of being seen to take sides in the
> dispute. If you do count that negative impact, then it is much less
> clear. People more familiar with the dispute than I am can try and
> estimate the extent of the harm taking sides would do.
This is right if the impact of being seen as taking one side is bigger than
that of being seen as taking the other. But as in fact we are not taking
sides perhaps we cold find the way for being seen just as we are: people
looking for the best for the projects.
Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will
be having office hours this Thursday (September 30) at 23:00 UTC
(16:00 PT, 19:00 ET, 01:00 Friday CEST) on IRC in #wikimedia-office.
If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat
using a web browser: First, using the Wikizine chat gateway at
<http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi>. Type a
nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and
#wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join.
Or, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/,
typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as
the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning,
which you can click to accept.
Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other
relevant email lists you happen to be on.
Head of Reader Relations
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the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:40:30 +0100
> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma <jrgoma(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor
> > Kosovo independence.
> Very true, but allowing separate Kosovan and Sebian chapters (which is
> probably best for the WM movement, since the Serbian chapter
> presumably can't operate effective runs the risk of appearing to
> promote Kosovan independance. I would love it if we could stay out of
> the dispute entirely, but it isn't easy to do.
It seems to me that doing the best for the WM movement only appears to
promote the best for the WM movement. Doing the worst for the WM movement is
what not only appear but is a clear proof of political bias. I only can
agree in preferring an imaginative solution to stay out of the dispute.
At ptwiki, we recently implemented a usergroup to help with the backlog of
requests for speedy deletions, articles for deletion, and others (see
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Eliminadores). This was done to try
to dismistify the admin role, and increase community participation in admin
tasks, trying to counteract the significant decrease in the number of admins
during the past two year (we currently have less than 40 admins). I invite
you all to accompany this as I believe that the success or failure of this
strategy will have valuable lessons for other projects.
Did you know that less than a third of the users who create an account on
English Wikipedia make even *one* edit afterwards? Two-thirds of all new
accounts never edit! Interestingly, this percentage vary very much from
language version to language version.
Now, the question is not: "what can we do about it?" We know plenty of
things that we *could* do. The question is this: "what are the easiest
levers to push that increase the numbers?"
We have a couple of ideas (they are presented on the Outreach wiki, at
but we need your help! Here are three easy things that you can do:
1. Offer ideas
2. Sign up to help with the project
3. Spread the word. Do you know anybody who would want to be interested in
helping out? Pass this message on.
Lennart Guldbrandsson, chair of Wikimedia Sverige and press contact for
Swedish Wikipedia // ordförande för Wikimedia Sverige och presskontakt för
2010/9/22 Guillaume Paumier <gpaumier(a)wikimedia.org>:
> Link to the original article:
> As recently announced on the tech blog and in the Signpost, we're
> launching an experimental new tool today to capture article feedback
> from readers as part of the Public Policy Initiative. We're also
> inviting the user community to help determine its future by joining a
> workgroup tasked with evaluating it.
If i understand correctly, a very similar tool is enabled in all
articles on the Hungarian Wikipedia for quite a long time. Just go to
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random and look at the bottom.
(If you can't read Hungarian, go to
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences and change your
language; English and French work.)
Did anyone try to contact the hu.wp community and ask them about their
experiences with this tool?
אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
Amir Elisha Aharoni
"We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace." - T. Moore