On 29 September 2010 23:32, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > German Wikipedia has had pending changes implemented
> > *globally*, in all articles, for several years now. Unlike
> > en:WP, where numbers of active editors have dropped
> > significantly since 2007, numbers of active editors in de:WP
> > have remained stable:
> > >
> > > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaDE.htm
> > > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm
> >
> > The stats on that page are pretty confusing, Andreas. Could
> > you say
> > here what the relative figures are?
>
> According to the tables, the number of en:WP editors with >100 edits/month
> stood at 5,151 in April 2007, and was down to 3,868 in August 2010.
>
> de:WP had 1,027 in April 2007, and 1,075 in August 2010.
>
>
You raise an interesting point, Andreas. I am not persuaded that pending
changes/flagged revisions have anything to do with the editor retention rate
at the de:WP. However, I think you may be right that the considerably more
homogeneous editor population, as well as the commonality in cultural
background, was instrumental in the ability of the project to jointly make
such a cultural shift. Indeed, the number of de:WP editors with >100
edits/month has remained very stable since January 2006. (The number of
en:WP editors was essentially the same in January 2006 as at present, but
hit its peak in April 2007. Let's not cherry pick the data too much, okay?)
As an aside for those interested in the historical perspective, the massive
increase in the number of editors on en:WP coincides with a massive influx
of vandalism, and over a thousand editors did almost nothing *but* revert or
otherwise address vandalism. As better and more effective tools have been
developed to address that problem - Huggle, Twinkle, Friendly, the edit
filters, reverting bots, semi-protection, etc - the number of editors needed
to manage vandalism has diminished dramatically. In other words, that
1300-editor difference may largely be accounted for because those whose only
skill was vandal-fighting have moved on. That's not to say there is no
vandalism on en:WP today; there's still plenty of it.
Observing from afar, it has often struck me that when almost all members of
an editorial community come from a common cultural background and geographic
area, there is a synergy that isn't found on projects where the community is
much more diverse. This is best illustrated in the large scale on German
Wikipedia, and some other European projects, where the community is visibly
more cohesive. In the smaller scale, certain projects with shared
cultural/geographic background on English Wikipedia, such as Wikiproject
Australia, are more accomplished at developing and meeting shared
objectives. These groups, whether large projects or small pockets within a
larger project, seem to operate in accordance with their local cultural
norms; in other words, they don't have to find common cultural ground before
they can move on to a discussion of a proposal.
It's my belief that the common cultural background of the de:WP editorial
community has been one of the keystones of its success in being able to
implement large-scale and project-wide changes, flagged revisions being the
most obvious. That common cultural background or focal geographic area
simply does not exist for the English Wikipedia; we're probably one of the
few projects where the same expression can be viewed as friendly, somewhat
rude and downright offensive at the same time, depending on whether the
reader is Australian, British or American (not to mention those who have
learned English as a second language, which also makes up a significant part
of our editorship).
Each project also has its own culture, but I confess that most of my
knowledge of the culture of other projects is anecdotal rather than
observational, so I won't venture to try to compare them.
When faced with dramatic increases in vandalism, en:WP created tools that
are largely developed by individuals and utilized by other individuals (with
the exception of semi-protection); de:WP developed a single unified
community response. The remarkably high quality of the tools used on en:WP
means that any new systemic tool has to meet a very high threshold for it to
be considered acceptable for wide-scale use. Perhaps that is the key
difference between these two community types: one places more emphasis on
making cohesive group decisions, while the other more strongly encourages a
range of solutions. I don't have any answers, just observations.
Risker/Anne
Hi all,
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Decisions at Wikipedia are not based a vote. The majority support
Pending Changes and insufficient reasons have been put forwards by
those who wish to see it quashed. I would like to thank Erik Moeller
for the difficult discussion he has made. It is impossible to make
everyone happy sometimes.
I support PC for a number of reasons including.
1) Concerns are voiced both by academia and our readership regarding
Wikipedia's reliability. Pending changes addresses some of these
concerns. Thus there is a good chance that "pending changes" will not
only increase our readership but the number of people who edit. No one
wants to put in the work to create something good or excellent just to
have it vandalized and left un-repaired.
2) Vandals like to see their work go "live". Pending changes stops
this and will thus potentially decrease the entire volume of
vandalism. Most vandals will not be willing to pit in the effort to
get around these measures.
3) We will have a tool to allow the world to seamlessly contribute to
a greater part of Wikipedia. Instead of semi protecting some pages (
and thus making it difficult for IPs to contribution ) we can use PC
to make Wikipedia more open per our founding principles.
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Think big Milos. Wikimedia Germany is even better organized than Kosovo. Let
Kosovo alone and put Germany in Serbia.
Now seriously:
Who do you think can succeed better promoting the projects in Kosovo,
Wikimedia Serbia, Wikimedia Kosovo, or both?
We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor
Kosovo independence.
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:09:02 +0200
> From: Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100
> Press Release
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> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 14:06, Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:14, Gerard Meijssen
> > <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the
> set up
> >> of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine. Giving
> them
> >> a vote on this is not. Given that Kosovo is a separate jurisdiction
> means
> >> that it fulfils the basic requirement. Given that Hong Kong and New York
> >> have chapters the case for Kosovo to have a chapter is at least as
> strong if
> >> not stronger.
> >
> > In fact, they are better organized than Wikimedia Serbia, which is
> > partially my fault.
>
> And, in fact, they are the reason why I want Kosovo in Serbia ;) Their
> organization is strong and their potentials are stronger.
>
>
This is spammy and OT -- but still may be of interest to people on
this list. I can vouch for the awesomeness of the localwiki project,
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in the next week to get their kickstarter grant funded. If this
project is successful, they will help grow an essential part of the
free content/collaborative landscape that Wikimedia by and large
doesn't serve at all.
-- phoebe
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> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:46:19 +0100
> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
>
>
> Yes, what I wrote doesn't really make sense, does it? What I meant was
> that separate chapters is probably best for the WM movement, not
> counting the negative impact of being seen to take sides in the
> dispute. If you do count that negative impact, then it is much less
> clear. People more familiar with the dispute than I am can try and
> estimate the extent of the harm taking sides would do.
>
This is right if the impact of being seen as taking one side is bigger than
that of being seen as taking the other. But as in fact we are not taking
sides perhaps we cold find the way for being seen just as we are: people
looking for the best for the projects.
Hi all,
Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will
be having office hours this Thursday (September 30) at 23:00 UTC
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:40:30 +0100
> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?
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> On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma <jrgoma(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor
> > Kosovo independence.
>
> Very true, but allowing separate Kosovan and Sebian chapters (which is
> probably best for the WM movement, since the Serbian chapter
> presumably can't operate effective runs the risk of appearing to
> promote Kosovan independance. I would love it if we could stay out of
> the dispute entirely, but it isn't easy to do.
>
It seems to me that doing the best for the WM movement only appears to
promote the best for the WM movement. Doing the worst for the WM movement is
what not only appear but is a clear proof of political bias. I only can
agree in preferring an imaginative solution to stay out of the dispute.
Hi.
At ptwiki, we recently implemented a usergroup to help with the backlog of
requests for speedy deletions, articles for deletion, and others (see
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Eliminadores). This was done to try
to dismistify the admin role, and increase community participation in admin
tasks, trying to counteract the significant decrease in the number of admins
during the past two year (we currently have less than 40 admins). I invite
you all to accompany this as I believe that the success or failure of this
strategy will have valuable lessons for other projects.
Best,
GoEThe