I can accept that Commons may not fit under the definition of
"secondary producer." However, when Wikipedians choose a sexually
explicit image from Commons, the crop it and add a caption, this may
fall under the "selection or alteration of the communication" exception.
Now consider that Wilipedia publishes print versions, encourages
mirroring, as well as makes articles available as PDF files, this
seems like Wikipedia (and thereby WMF) would qualify as a secondary
producer.
On May 20, 2010, at 1:37 AM, wjhonson(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> You are missing the key point. The pivot upon which the issue turns
> is not whether or not a site is non-commercial or educational. The
> pivot is whether the site itself creates the content, or whether it
> merely hosts the content.
>
> Wikimedia Commons is more likely to be viewed as a host agent like
> Flicker or Facebook, and not a creator.
> A host does not have a legal requirement to maintain any records of
> this sort.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stillwater Rising <stillwaterising(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 10:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content --
> help, please!
>
>
> The list of advantages for helping uploaders (producers) to comply
> with USC
> 2257 record-keeping guidelines are numerous, and was the core part
> of my
> April 2010 sexual content proposal. To clarify, I did not then and
> still do
> not believe OTRS should be directly handing Personally Identifying
> Information (PII) for sexual content, but should have a way of
> verifying
> that it exists by at least keeping on file the name and address of the
> individual(s) who are keeping the records. Mr. Sabol (below) thought
> that
> Wikimedia should be setting an example of how educational
> institutions can
> handle this issue responsibly.
>
> In my opinion, the advantages of obtaining this information far
> outweigh
> potential disadvantages. I've listed the advantages in multiple
> places, so
> I'll just give a link to the latest discussion
> here<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Sexual_content#The_Case_for_…
> >
> .
>
> The unfortunate part is that there's no support for this idea from
> the legal
> council, in fact Mike Godwin's statements seem to indicate that we
> should
> not be concerned with these records at all. This is unfortunate,
> because
> there is no clear exemption for non-commercial or educational
> websites.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:31 PM, David Goodman
> <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This seems self-contradictory. If we are exempt we're exempt. If
>> we're
>> exempt we have no need to keep records. We would of course do well to
>> advise our users about their own responsibilities.
>>
>> If we do decide to require some sort of certification--and I do not
>> oppose our doing so-- it raises the question that if we do it in such
>> a manner as to match the requirements of US law, even to the extent
>> of
>> making use of a service set up specifically to meet that law's
>> detailed requirements, whether we would not be perhaps admitting in
>> advance that us law applies to us in this respect, and forfeiting our
>> defense that we are not a producer?
>>
>> David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Stillwater Rising
>> <stillwaterising(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I contacted Drew Sabol; professor, attorney, and owner of a 2257
>>> record-keeping service called 2257services.net<
>> http://www.2257services.net/>
>>> .
>>>
>>> His opinion is the Wikipedia is something like a social networking
>>> site
>> that
>>> accepts user submission. The Department of Justice (DOJ) put out an
>> update
>>> that discusses how child pornography laws apply to small business
>>> here:
>>> http://18usc2257.org/literature/DOJ-2257ComplianceGuide.pdf
>>>
>>> On the top of page 4 there's a FAQ section that says:
>>>
>>> *Q. How does the rule apply to social networking sites?*
>>> A. Most social networking sites would not be covered by the rule
>>> because
>> its
>>> definition of
>>> “produces” excludes “the transmission, storage, retrieval,
>>> hosting,
>>> formatting, or
>>> translation (or any combination thereof) of a communication, without
>>> selection or
>>> alteration of the communication.” Social networking sites would
>>> not then
>>> normally need
>>> to comply with the rule’s record-keeping requirements, labeling
>>> requirements, or be
>>> required to maintain information concerning their users, and the
>>> rule
>> would
>>> therefore
>>> have no effect on the operations of the site. However, users of
>>> social
>>> networking sites
>>> who post sexually explicit activity on “adult” networking sites
>>> may well
>> be
>>> primary or
>>> secondary producers. Therefore, users of social networking sites
>>> may be
>>> subject to the
>>> rule, depending on their conduct.
>>>
>>>
>>> He considers Wikipedia to be a social networking site therefore
>>> should
>> not
>>> be considered a secondary producer (we do have "selection or
>>> alteration
>> of
>>> the communication" however). He thinks we should find a way to
>>> make sure
>>> that uploaders (who are primary producers if "own work" or secondary
>>> producers if somebody else's) should be keeping records and there
>>> are
>>> several ways to do this. We also need to report any suspected
>>> illegal
>> images
>>> to the proper authorities.
>>>
>>> Since Drew runs a contract record keeping service, he said he
>>> would be
>>> willing to work out a deal with the Board of Trustees to modify his
>> website
>>> so individual users can log in and upload records while OTRS
>>> maintains
>>> administrative rights to verify the records exist. His usual cost
>>> (after
>> set
>>> up fees) is $1.00 per record. His email is admin(a)2257services.net
>>> and he
>> is
>>> willing to discuss the matter with a Board of staff member who
>>> would like
>> to
>>> know more.
>>>
>>> More information:
>>> Generic model affidavit:
>>> https://www.2257services.net/forms/model-affidavit.html
>>> Bloggers Legal Guide: http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/adult
>>>
>>> *On Adult Material*: "The regulations imply that the record-keeping
>>> requirement is restricted to commercial operations. This would
>>> seem to
>>> exclude noncommercial or educational distribution from the
>>> regulation,
>> and
>>> to limit secondary publishing and reproduction to material
>>> intended for
>>> commercial distribution. However, the DOJ has left wiggle-room,
>>> and it is
>>> still unclear if they intend to go after noncommercial websites."
>>
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WebM is a new open source video codec; That's interesting
with a BSD-ish license; Ok, that's amazing
Google did it; That's huge.
The question to this esteemed community is thus:
Shall we start using it? :-)
sincerely,
Kim Bruning
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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Magnus Manske
<magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> The link to Special:Search is the magnifying glass icon next to (or
>>> in) the search box.
>>>
>>> To get "Search" instead of "Go", do what Magnus Manske suggested a few days ago:
>>>
>>> "just type your search query, then hit the "cursor up" key to select
>>> the last point in the dropdown box, which is the good ol' search
>>> function. Hit enter, and there you go."
>>
>> It seems this is no longer possible?
>>
>> Strange, as it was possible before and even announced here:
>>
>> http://techblog.wikimedia.org/tag/usability-vector-search/
>>
>> "The “Search” and “Go” buttons are gone, but their functionality live
>> on. As you type, search suggestions are offered and accessible via the
>> mouse or keyboard using the up and down arrow keys. “Go” is still the
>> default action, executed by pressing the enter key on the keyboard. To
>> perform a full-text search, users can click on the “containing” option
>> within the search suggestions or press the up arrow key on the
>> keyboard."
>>
>> But pressing the down button does nothing any more. *sigh*
>
> Yeah, they replaces A&B with C&D, then silently removed D. Be thankful
> that you still have C, you ungrateful user, you!!!!!
>
> Magnus
>
The down arrow still works for me. If you click the magnifying glass
(without terms in the search box), you get to the conventional text
search page. I'm not sure changing the default from "Go!" to text
search is the answer, though - and adding another button would be
confusing. Maybe if the Go page had a "Not the result you wanted?
Click here to search by text" prompt at the top?
Nathan
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On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
<amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
> I sincerely hate to sound repetitive and annoying, but since the switch to
> Vector in en.wikipedia it's impossible to run a full-text search of
> Wikipedia using the search box if there's an article by the same name.
>
> The "Search" button is gone, because it was supposed to be possible to run a
> full-text search in the redesigned search box without that button, but
> apparently this doesn't actually work. It's only possible to run a full-text
> search by switching back to Monobook or by manually going to Special:Search
> (there's no link to it anywhere).
>
> So basically, for five days already it's practically impossible to search
> for information within Wikipedia. Read this again: it's impossible to search
> Wikipedia. Am i crazy if i think that this is a very severe problem?
>
> This is reported as a bug:
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23558
>
> The right thing to do is to restore the go and search buttons immediately
> and consider reintroducing the new search box after it has been thoroughly
> tested. Is there any reason not to do this?
>
> --
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> Amir Elisha Aharoni
>
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>
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Hi all,
A few weeks ago there was much discussion about establishing an announcement-only email list that would be used as a 'push-only' list where important announcements from the Foundation, chapters, or other representatives could be directed. Anyone could subscribe to this list and keep up to date on important events and information.
We now have this list up and running (I spent a little more time than I had planned testing stuff) and it's ready for subscribers:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
We've created a page with general information about this list and how it will be moderated here:
meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_list/Wikimedia_Announce
Initially we'll be sending all major news from the WMF here so news can be shared in one place: new staff, new programs, career opportunities, milestones, calls for response, reports from staff or the board, etc etc.
And of course we want this to be a place where similar news and information can be disseminated from our community.
Rather than overwhelm this new list with too many rules and guidelines, I'm happy to have suggestions for posts sent directly to me, or to the 'communications(a)wikimedia.org' proxy email address, or you can just write to the list address with your suggestion and we'll work with you to get it posted. Let's see how the traffic looks before thinking too much about what's wrong or right for the list - but ultimately readers will want to get relevant, good information and have advance notice of important happenings.
As we work out the kinks I'll be happy to bring on some other volunteer moderators to keep things moving as quickly as possible.
Foundation staff will begin to send information to this list as a default (new staff, major announcements, good news etc), although we will continue to share news on the pre-existing lists for the time being. Of course this shouldn't preclude any discussion about news and events. We expect to continue to converse about news and events on the other mailing lists as well. Anyone can submit relevant announcements for the list as well. Refer to the meta page for the basic guidelines. We will also point email updates from the Foundation blog to the WikimediaAnnounce-l.
The strategy is to provide a single list where public announcements can be collected, preventing missed information for people who participate on one list and not another.
You'll note that right now all replies to this list (if people are inclined to reply) will go directly to Foundation-l. We'll see how successful this is, or if it causes confusion for subscribers.
Please share other thoughts or opportunities - on the meta page or on this list. And please also encourage others to widely subscribe to this list. Post to village pumps, on projects, etc.
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>
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There has certainly been many brief, and not so brief blocks, passed out.
I see my old friend Zeq in there (He once provoked me into admitting I'm
a Zionist). I don't think there is a solution, really other than to keep
monitoring editors and dealing with the most egregious offenders. I have
always been suspicious of government involvement, as I am of the Chinese
government, but never have seen an obvious instance. There does seem to
be some advocacy recently for propaganda campaigns coordinated by the
Israeli government:
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/israeli-propaganda-is-both-in…
Fred Bauder
> There was the I/P ArbCom decision here <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-I…>
> that implemented a host of discretionary sanctions.
>
> My personal opinion is that there has been concerted and conspiratorial
> editing on both sides, with the Israeli side being more openly "accused"
> until recently.
>
> I do not have any good solutions; however, as someone who has edited in
> the
> field, I do feel that there are political blocks that position themselves
> to
> push points of view. I openly admit to having a particular point of view,
> although I do my best to edit neutrally. I feel that there are many
> editors
> who do not do there best to edit neutrally, from all perspectives, and I
> am
> certain others would say that about me.
>
> :(
>
> --Avi
> ----
> User:Avraham
>
> pub 3072D/F80E29F9 1/30/2009 Avi (Wikimedia-related key)
> <avi.wiki(a)gmail.com
>>
> Primary key fingerprint: 167C 063F 7981 A1F6 71EC ABAA 0D62 B019 F80E
> 29F9
>
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Fred Bauder
> <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net>wrote:
>
>> Avi,
>>
>> Could you point us to the proposed arbitration decision and comment on
>> that? My thought, made without spending the mandatory 10 or 20 hours
>> actually necessary to get up to speed on the current situation is that
>> while in the past the Zionist viewpoint has generally prevailed,
>> opposing
>> viewpoints are starting to be expressed more thoroughly, which is
>> exactly
>> what is contemplated under the NPOV policy.
>>
>> You're probably much more informed than many of us.
>>
>> Fred Bauder
>>
>> > http://bit.ly/cVBfag
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> > --Avi
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sent from my mobile device
>> >
>> > ----
>> > User:Avraham
>> >
>> > pub 3072D/F80E29F9 1/30/2009 Avi (Wikimedia-related key)
>> > <avi.wiki(a)gmail.com>
>> > Primary key fingerprint: 167C 063F 7981 A1F6 71EC ABAA 0D62 B019
>> F80E
>> > 29F9
>> >
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To whom it may concern,
All nominations for candidates for the chapter selected board seats
were supposed to be received by the end of today, however only three
have been received. The chapters will be more likely to make a good
selection if they have a large group of candidates to choose from,
therefore I am extending the deadline for nominations by 10 days,
until the 27th May. Subsequent stages of the process will be pushed
back accordingly. Hopefully a decision will still be made in time for
the board meeting at Wikimania, but this cannot be guaranteed.
The original call for candidates, with the new deadline, is repeated
below. Please help us get a large number of nominations by
distributing this call as widely as possible on mailing lists, blogs
and wikis.
Can you, or someone you know, help guide Wikimedia Foundation through
the next exciting steps of its strategic development and growth?
The Wikimedia Chapters are looking for two candidates to sit on the
Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees for 2 years commencing in
July 2010. The new board members will be faced with the challenge of
helping decide the future direction of the only top-10 internet
property that is run by a non-profit organisation. The Wikimedia
websites are constructed by hundreds of thousands of volunteers
world-wide, supported by a small but growing number of staff and an
international network of chapters.
The successful candidates will most importantly be committed to the
Wikimedia mission and willing to work with the various stakeholders of
the Wikimedia movement, including the volunteers and the chapters that
provide essential support for the movement. They will have the time to
do this, with the appropriate communication skills (including a good
standard of English) and ability to work as a team. They will also be
able and willing to travel, and have an international attitude.
The candidates will ideally be open-minded with experience of
international affairs and governance techniques. They will have good
communication skills, as well the ability to think strategically and
to work independently as well as part of a team.
The process that will be followed for this selection can be viewed
here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/Process
All nominations must be sent to the moderator (Thomas Dalton from
Wikimedia UK) and deputy moderator (José Spierts from Wikimedia
Nederlands) by 23:59 UTC 27th May. If you would like to nominate
yourself or someone else, please see the instructions here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/Nominate
The chapters wish to locate truly excellent board members and believe
that can best be done if there are a large number of varied and
quality candidates to consider. Therefore, the chapters ask that
everyone that thinks they, or someone they know, would be a good board
member submit a nomination. They also ask that this call for
candidates be distributed as widely as possible on mailing lists,
village pumps, blogs, etc..
Best regards,
Thomas Dalton,
Moderator
Hi all;
Solving captcha during registration is mandatory. Can this be replaced with
a sound captcha for visual impairment people? It is a suggestion to the
usability project too. Thanks.
Regards,
emijrp