In a message dated 1/18/2008 8:06:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shimgray(a)gmail.com writes:
On 18/01/2008, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> We already delete a massive number of fair use images daily simply being
> a screenshot of XYZ singer or ABC video game. Are we to think this won't
> happen with video? Are the administrators of the various projects ready to
> deal with such an increased number of copyrighted pages that will require
> deletion? The only way to ensure that this isn't a problem would to be to
> extend our fair use provisions in the various projects, allowing
copyrighted
> media to be added more freely. We already see people taking the easy way
> out and uploading copyrighted images of famous people rather than
attempting
> to acquire them freely.
It strikes me that this is a very fatalistic view.
Actually, it is not quite as fatalistic as it would seem. I raised this
issue on Techcruch regarding the sample Naruto video. I could easily have used
the Xbox 360, the polar bears from National Geographic, or the long-awaited and
much anticipated Spice Girl reunion tour (they aged well, didn't they?). The
response is here:
_http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/17/kaltura-partners-to-add-crowdsourced-…
(http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/17/kaltura-partners-to-add-crowdsourced-v…)
Michelle
_January 18th, 2008 at 10:54 am_
(http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/17/kaltura-partners-to-add-crowdsourced-v…)
Danny,
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In a message dated 1/18/2008 7:35:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com writes:
You quote the prodigal son.. the story tells us that the father was
overjoyed that his son returned alive to him, a son feared dead. It also
tells us that the other brothers were jealous.. What is your message ? Are
you jealous because of the attention lavished on this other project ?
Gerard,
You should probably reread the parable. It's in Luke 15.
Danny
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Horse Cakes <horsecakes(a)googlemail.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2008 10:27 PM
Subject: Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with Kaltuna and loss
of freedom
To: foundation-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org, foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
I'm wondering why the Wikimedia Foundation, the foundation hosting the
"free encyclopedia", sees it acceptable to support Adobe's
close-source proprietary Flash technology? Surely the Wikimedia
foundation should be directly in opposition to any attempts to make
their software less free? Does the proposed site even support Gnash?
It's also worth adding that currently Kaltuna's website is breaking
the GFDL due to lack of licensing information or references to the
original authors - see http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/ . Why is the
Wikimedia Foundation actively supporting a company that obvious cares
little about its goals? Do you guys just support anyone who is willing
to throw some money your way without even looking at what they're
offering to ensure they aren't breaking the fundamental principles of
the foundation?
I'm absolutely disgusted, and believe this is a new low for the
Wikimedia Foundation.
Mr. Cakes.
P.S. Why do you make it as hard as possible to comment on these
matters? Set up a Wiki rather than having to spend forever joining a
mailing list to make comments.
As was pointed out on Kelly's blog, a staff member asks for WMF volunteers
to help a start-up. That is a cost. In fact, in the elusive audit the WMF will
be expected to give a number to the value of volunteer contributions, so it
is a real cost. Volunteer time is diverted from WMF to Kaltura. That is a
cost. The WMF has lent its name to a start-up, which can then use that name to
obtain VC funding. That is an unrealized cost.
So what is the benefit?
Danny
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In a message dated 1/18/2008 5:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
erik(a)wikimedia.org writes:
The primary cost associated with this project is the time spent on
mailing lists arguing about it :-)
--
Erik Möller
Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
So there is no benefit, except in the wider sense of some random company
"exploring ways" ...
That's nice.
Danny
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Further confusion from the Terms of Service
(_http://www.kaltura.com/index.php/cms/signup_ (http://www.kaltura.com/index.php/cms/signup) )
The content on the Kaltura Website, except all User Submitted Media (as
defined below), including without limitation, the text, software, scripts,
graphics, photos, sounds, music, videos, interactive features and the like
("Content") and the trademarks, service marks and logos contained therein ("Marks"),
are owned by or licensed to Kaltura, and is subject to copyright and other
intellectual property rights under United States and foreign laws and
international conventions.
You agree to not engage in the use, copying, or distribution of any of the
Content other than expressly permitted herein, including any use, copying, or
distribution of User Submitted Media of third parties obtained through the
Website for any commercial purposes.
You agree not to circumvent, disable or otherwise interfere with security
related features of the Kaltura Website or features that prevent or restrict use
or copying of any Content or enforce limitations on use of the Kaltura
Website or the Content therein.
Etc.
Apparently, I do not understand what free software and free content is, so
can Greg, Erik, or someone else more knowledgeable than me please explain this.
Danny
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Thanks Jay,
I'd really like to help but, according to Kaltura's own terms of use
Kaltura hereby grants you permission to use the Website as set forth in this
Terms of Service, provided that: (i) your use of the Website as permitted is
solely for your personal, noncommercial use (please contact
_commercial(a)kaltura.com_ (mainto:commercial@kaltura.com) regarding the terms of a commercial
license) ; (ii) you will not copy or distribute any part of the Website in
any medium without Kaltura's prior written authorization; (iii) you will not
alter or modify any part of the Website, other than as may be reasonable
permitted according to the site’s GUI and its purpose and (iv) you will otherwise
comply with the terms and conditions of these Terms of Service.
This is certainly not free. In fact, the very terms of use eliminate the
possibility of it being free.
I am very confused
Danny
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Rather than attack the messenger, let's look at what is really happening
here. It look like Wikipedia/Wikimedia is being used to promote a start-up. If
that is the case, it would be a slippery slope indeed, and certainly not what
a project devoted to free culture is all about.
Perhaps it would have been better to wait until they had released the free
software before releasing this announcement. What more, I am looking at one of
their sample videos now:
_http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Image:Darfur-Genocide.jpg_
(http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Image:Darfur-Genocide.jpg)
I am not sure if this is their free software, but I am pretty sure that
neither the images nor the music are free content. I had always thought of free
culture as a comprehensive package. This simply isn't it.
Danny
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In a message dated 1/17/2008 11:07:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tstarling(a)wikimedia.org writes:
Maybe not so slippery. It's been a long time since the Answers.com deal
(i.e. the agreement by the Foundation to promote the Answers.com one-click
tool on Wikipedia), and we haven't seen many similar deals since then.
Maybe the consistent community backlash at each of these announcements is
keeping us away from edge of said slope.
-- Tim Starling
The name Kaltura is fascinating, and the etymology is very telling: Russian
through Hebrew. See
_http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/haltura/_ (http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/haltura/) (the kh
sound is alternately transliterated as h kh, or k)
especially:
Citations: _1923_
(http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/citations/haltura_2/) Nikita Balieff New York Times Magazine (June 24) “Off Stage and Us Again”
p. 9: “Haltura” is a word which has been used frequently by the Russian
actor during Bolshevism and signifies an extra job on the outside of his own
theatre. The “haltura” apparitions are staged without any artistic aims, and
interest the actor only as a means by which he can earn an extra few million
rubles.
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In a message dated 1/17/2008 11:07:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tstarling(a)wikimedia.org writes:
Maybe not so slippery. It's been a long time since the Answers.com deal
(i.e. the agreement by the Foundation to promote the Answers.com one-click
tool on Wikipedia), and we haven't seen many similar deals since then.
Maybe the consistent community backlash at each of these announcements is
keeping us away from edge of said slope.
-- Tim Starling
I hope so.
Danny
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