> Test pages for Võro and Scots language Wikipedia
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/fiu-vro/
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/fiu-sco/
> are in danger!
I can't find any hint of fiu-sco in the deletion log, can't see anything about it.
> Now user of Wikimedia Aphaia threats to erase our work
> and has already destroyed Scots test page!!
Did you tell Aphaia about the purpose of the pages? [ok, read the revelant pages, she understood the purpose]. Maybe she didn't read wikimedia-l and doesn't know what has been decided. Remember: assume good faith first (no, i am not accusing *you* of lying, merely pointing out that it's almost certainly a misunderstanding between you two). Also, on VfD, she indicates that it's the *number* of planned articles that bothers her, not their *existence*.
(disclaimer: i don't know meta policy)
> Sulev Iva
> (Meta User Võrok)
> (En User Võrolang)
Nicolas Weeger
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A Board meeting was held on IRC on May 16 with Jimmy Wales, Florence
Devouard, and Angela Beesley, primarily to discuss the upcoming
elections and official positions.
The potential make up of the next Board of Trustees was discussed
extensively. We aim to expand community participation in decision
making next year. Jimmy is in the process of developing a proposal
related to this, which will be submitted to the Foundation mailing
list (http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l) this
week. Possible extension of terms was discussed, with the suggestion
made that the board be elected for two years in the upcoming
elections, and three years thereafter, so positions will rotate.
We will seek legal advice on the make up of the board, in order to
evaluate the ways in which the existing structure might be changed.
$3000 will be budgeted for this.
For official positions, a description of the job, description of what
is expected from them, a list of tasks, and the limits of the position
will need to be set in advance of people being appointed to these
positions. A list of potential positions will be advertised this week,
and anyone interested in them is invited to contact the board about
taking these roles. In many cases, these positions will be a means of
formal recognition for the informal roles people already have within
the Foundation. Initial appointments will be made on May 23.
Jimmy will discuss the Queen's Jubilee "partnership" with Gerard
Meijssen, since it was felt this should not be in the press release.
Jimmy will talk to Daniel Mayer about access to the Foundation's bank account.
A proposal regarding the DVD is expected from Mandriva on Thursday and
will be discussed at the next meeting.
The next meeting will be held on Monday May 23 at 20 UTC.
Notes from previous meetings are available at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Meetings
Angela Beesley
Wikimedia Foundation
I'm pleased to announce that I have finished uploading 10,424 public
domain paintings to the Wikimedia Commons. They are from the DVD "10,000
Meisterwerke der Malerei" (10,000 masterpieces of painting) by "The
Yorck Project" and were donated to the public by Directmedia Publishing
GmbH (of German Wikipedia DVD fame). Directmedia put the collection
itself under the GFDL so there are no lingering copyright concerns.
See the translated original announcement at:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:10%2C000_paintings_from_Directmed…
Besides the paintings themselves, as permitted and encouraged by
Directmedia, I have added the metadata from the DVD, which includes
basic data about the individual artists as well as the paintings (much
of it is in German, I've made an attempt to automatically translate
date-related abbreviations). I have also tried to translate the German
style data into English categories.
Credit goes to Tim 'Avatar' Bartel for providing the metadata as a MySQL
dump, as well as the Commons community that was always there to help
when I needed them. Special thanks to Arnomane for creating
[[Template:Information]] and suggesting its usage here. Thanks also to
everyone who provided constructive feedback during and after the process.
You can view all the paintings at:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Yorck_Project
Or individual categories, e.g.:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Baroque_paintingshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Post-Impressionist_paintingshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cubist_paintingshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Classicist_paintings
Or individual artists, e.g.:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Christian_Gottlieb_Schickhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:El_Grecohttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Peter_Paul_Rubens
Note that the "next 200" link on the main Yorck Project category didn't
work until a few minutes ago. The bug that caused this to happen should
now be fixed. However, some individual artist categories with more than
200 images will still have this problem (caused by a second
category-related bug), and it will probably take a few weeks to sort
this out. Meanwhile, there's a workaround:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:The_Yorck_Project&f…
This will show all the images from the Yorck Project starting with
filenames that begin with "Leonardo" (the filename is always of the form
"Firstname Lastname Number"). This way, you can view all the images by
any particular artist, no matter how many.
While all the images are high resolution, the quality of reproduction is
not always the best. Some images have visible compression artifacts at
full resolution, and others are too dark or too bright, for example. (In
fairness, even in these cases, many of the repros you will find on the
web are of still lower quality.) Bdk has started a list of images that
should be replaced with better reproductions:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:10%2C000_paintings_from_Directmed…
I hope you enjoy these works of art, and will help to add the best ones
to the relevant Wikipedia articles. It may make sense to translate the
gist of this announcement into other languages for this reason.
All best,
Erik
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> If you read the subjectline you will see it is not as impossible as it
> seems. The number of contributors of Wiktionary is of a completely
> different order of magnitude. Less people. And the problems that there
> are when converting to the Ultimate Wiktionary are different as well.
> Please read the original post and you will see that noone asked to
> re-license the WIKIPEDIA content.
I read the original post, and I know what the subject line is. You might
notice that I never limited my comments to Wikipedia alone (although I
admit that I used the term "articles" in the general sense, which may
have been confusing).
According to Erik Zachte's statistics, the Wiktionaries collectively
have over 1000 registered contributors with at least ten edits. Add to
that all of the anonymous edits and people who have made 1-9 edits, and
you're easily talking about thousands of people to track down for
permission to relicense. I'm guessing that's already more than Mozilla
had to deal with, and as mentioned we're in a much more difficult
position in terms of our ability to locate the copyright holder. The one
advantage Wiktionary might have over Wikipedia is that in many
instances, it's probably easier to segregate contributions that haven't
been relicensed.
Except for possibly Wikinews, which has been in many respects a special
case from the beginning, I also wonder whether it is desirable for us to
be running our projects under different licensing schemes.
--Michael Snow
Here is an idea to ponder.
It is often difficult to find the right people to talk to about various
issues concerning all projects. While we do have ambassadors, the concept is
fairly moribund, and no one knows exactly who is the ambassador to which project.
I propose that an Embassy link be placed prominently on the recent changes
page of each Wiki. That way, if the board or representatives of other projects
want to inform a project of some activity, request, etc. it will be
immediately found and translated. To avoid the sticky issue of language, some icon
should be developed for the embassy page, so that it can be easily found on each
Recent Changes page.
This will be especially useful when we want to announce news of the upcoming
Board Elections, and for many other purposes as well.
Just an idea.
Danny
Hoi,
So far all Wiktionary content has been licensed under a GNU-FDL license.
With the Ultimate Wiktionary new functionality becomes a real
possibility. One of these is providing information using the .dict
format that has been described in RFC 2229. I learned from Hippietrail
that .dict can also be used to have a local dictionary on your PC. At
this moment almost every article has multiple authors it is not
realistic to require the full history with every article as the GNU-FDL
does. To grow the relevance of the Ultimate Wiktionary we do want to
expand the way in which it can be used. I learned from Erik Moeller that
we could regularly create an Ultimate Wiktionary export in the .dict
format and have these distributed with Linux distributions for instance
of with bittorrents. Again the license would be an issue it is not
feasible to export the complete history with every word.
I am not an expert on licenses. It is not really my cup of tea. As far
as I am concerned, the Ultimate Wiktionary content should remain Free
therefore a license needs a viral aspect; the data should stay free. I
really appreciate the history and therefore I do want to keep the author
information within UW. But I also want to expand the use of what we are
working on so I am not bothered about the history remaining with the
data when it finds this other use.
Changing the license within a running project is difficult. As Ultimate
Wiktionary will be a new database it is best to publish its content from
the start using a license that will enable the expanded use that is
possible with the new technology. Exporting TO the Ultimate Wiktionary
will be problematic in that it will replace many of the existing
Wiktionaries. It is not feasible to import the Wiktionary content
including the full history. It will be hard but possible to parse the
current information and enter this into UW. It is possible to mention
the persons that worked on an article on the talk page. Given the aims
of the Wikimedia projects I do not think from a moral point of view
there should be a problem converting Wiktionary data to UW and change
the license in the process. It will be impossible to convert all the
data to UW and/or maintain all the history information as only the data
that can be parsed can be entered into UW in the first place. Also there
will be a large amount of manual work to make this conversion possible
We can also convert the data to the UW, change the license, recognise
past efforts by publishing history details on the talk page and wait for
people to object. An objection would result in the removal of the work
they contributed to. This would be a pragmatic way of coping with issues.
Basically I have two questions;
*What license would be best that is FREE and allows for the expanded use
of the UW data
*Do we need to have the consent of every editor before we can export to
UW or is UW sufficiently different from Wiktionary to make it an
original work in its own right or do we need this only when we change
the license?
Thanks,
GerardM
Jean-Baptiste Soufron wrote:
> changing the license of a running project is difficult, but not that
> much.
I'm skeptical about this claim, as I think it's much easier said than done.
Does anyone know of collaborative projects that have actually switched
licenses entirely, even in the software world?
The only case I have any familiarity with is Nupedia, which I understand
changed from its homegrown license to the GFDL shortly before Wikipedia
was created (thus putting us in the licensing position we are now).
Since I believe all copyrights were assigned to Bomis, this was a rather
simple proposition, as a single copyright holder can just go ahead and
release the content under a different license. Changing licenses when
multiple parties are involved would be much more complex.
--Michael Snow
Angela wrote:
>Jimmy will talk to Daniel Mayer about access to the Foundation's bank account.
>
>
Speaking of financial matters generally, I believe there was some
preliminary discussion about the next fundraising cycle recently. While
it might not yet be time to kick that into gear, there is still the
matter of having direct credit-card payment processing set up. As of the
last fundraiser, I understood that was going to happen in relatively
short order, but so far I see no sign of it as a donation option. Could
we get an update on that?
--Michael Snow
The press release is almost done at:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Press_releases/100K
If someone wants to write a background section on what wikis are etc.,
that might be a useful addition. Beyond that, please make minor fixes,
and help to translate it into as many languages as possible. We can
start sending this out on Monday. It doesn't need to be done in all
languages simultaneously; if some need a few more days, that's fine.
As noted in the release, the 100,000th file, by my count, is:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Dataflowfiringnodes.png
All best,
Erik
Hi everyone, just forwarding this mail concerning MediaWiki.
Rough translation: MediaWiki nominated for "special php prize" on a
french contest (no, we haven't won yet :p).
We'll hopefully coordinate in France so someone can go there on the
26th for prize.
Nicolas
-------- Message original --------
Sujet: [Wikimediafr-l] Les Trophées du Libre - votre nomination
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:30:30 +0200
De: Christophe Ballihaut <christophe.ballihaut(a)nexenservices.com>
Répondre à: Discussion à propos de l'association Wikimédia en France
<wikimediafr-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Organisation: Nexen Services
Pour: wikimediafr-l(a)wikimedia.org
Copie: brion(a)pobox.com
Bonjour,
votre project a été nominé pour le prix Special PHP des Trophées du Libre.
http://www.tropheesdulibre.org/rubrique.php3
Il a été élu parmis une 40 de projets par un jury composé de:
* Rasmus Lerdof (Créateur de PHP)
* Bård Farstad(co-fondateur eZ Systems)
* Benoît Thieulin (Attaché au cabinet du Premier Ministre)
* Damien Seguy ( co-fondateur de Nexen Services et Nexen.net).
Je souhaite organiser la venue d'un représentant officiel du projet
Mediawiki
en France lors de la remise des prix le 26 mai 2005 à Soisson.
Pouvez vous rentrer en contact avec moi pour gérer cela.
Pour information, le projet a été soumis par brion(a)pobox.com
et le Prix est sponsorisé par Nexen Services.
Cordialement,
Christophe Ballihaut
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