Andre Engels wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:28:00 +0100, Jens Ropers <ropers(a)ropersonline.com> wrote:
>
>
>>And worst of all, German banks treat requests for credit cards as
>>if you were asking for a complimentary limo ride. They are really
>>selective about who gets a credit card, because even they suffer
>>from the above delusion (all the worse for their business) and try
>>to let you feel that to be granted a credit card is a massive
>>privilege which should inspire your perpetual loyalty.
>>
>>
>Well, I think that's logical. Granting you a credit card means giving
>you a credit. I don't know about American and British banks, but
>European banks tend to give credit only to those who are expected to
>be able to pay it back.
>
>
With American banks at least, they care less about whether you can pay
back the funds they've extended to you on credit, as long as you have
the ability to keep making payments on the interest. The companies
involved make perhaps as much money from the interest they charge people
who carry a balance on their credit cards as they do from the
transaction fees they charge merchants for using the system. With the
interest rates involved, you can end up paying for the credit line many
times over. As a result, the criteria for obtaining a credit card are
not focused on actual wealth assets, but simply whether you have an
income stream (i.e. a paying job).
The relative merits of either system, as this debate shows, depend on
your point of view. Glancing at some of our articles, [[de:Kreditkarte]]
gives at least some treatment of the question, but [[en:Credit card]]
seems to be a pretty US-centric article. Even so, de: has superior
coverage of the history of credit cards _in the US_, although its
readability suffers from being a mass of unbroken text, or what Die Zeit
called a "Textwüste".
--Michael Snow
Hi,
I will be on wikivacations till the 2nd of january.
I wish a merry christmas for those concerned, as well
as a successful meeting to developers.
Pour les curieux, je vais prendre des photos aux
alentours de Tamanrasset (Alg�rie), avec un objectif
officiel qui est le crat�re m�t�oritique d'Amguid en
passant par tin bider et Djanet.
http://www.image-contrails.de/algeria/index.html
Do not look for an internet encyclopedia on the area.
Information is quite poor :-)
Bonnes vacances pour ceux qui en ont :-)
ant
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>
>
>> Thank you for your support. I would like to again
>invite all interested
>> parties (especially developers, but also writers,
>photographers etc.) to
>> add themselves on the above page, so that we can
>together move this
>> project forward after MediaWiki 1.3 has reached a
>stable state. As the
>> above proposal states, I hope that we can also
>implement single sign-on in
>> one fell swoop with the Commons itself, which would
>be one important step
>> to bring the individual Wikimedia projects closer
>together.
>
>
>>I am still willing to help and aid in this project.
>>However, as things
>>look now, the only help I can offer you is to
>>discontinue any plans I
>>myself have in this direction until you are ready.
>
>>One time there was just the English Wikipedia, then
>>other languages
>>were made. I have the feeling that I'm like someone
>>wanting to set
>>up another language and getting the answer that it's
>a >good idea, but
>>that in half a year there will be a new software with
>>language links
>>and the possibility to have an interface adaptable to
>>languages, and
>>I just wait for that.
>
>>It's not that I don't like your plans. I do. And when
>>the time
>>comes, I'll join in. For now I'll just count my
>>losses. And wonder
>>why you might succeed and I do not. Is it because you
>>are a
>>developer and I'm not? Because your plans are grand
>>and mine
>>down-to-earth? Because I'm not brazen enough? Anyway,
>>I lost.
>>Again.
>
>>Andre Engels
>
>André. Pause réflexion. Un vrai leader évite de
>perpétuellement marcher sur les pieds des autres. Il
>leur laisse de la place pour s'exprimer, parfois même
>il s'efface pour laisser les autres s'occuper d'un
>projet qui leur tient à coeur. Il évite de créer des
>rancoeurs :-) Enfin, juste ma triste opinion. ant
>
C'est bien de voir que tout au moins quelqu'un se souvient de la liste
correcte pour discuter ces sujets. Est-ce que tous les autres oublient
parce que en ce moment Jimbo ne reçoit pas les messages de cette liste-ci ?
--Michel Neige
As I've mentioned to a few people already, I've signed Wikimedia up for
a booth at the Southern California Linux Expo, which will be held in
Los Angeles on February 12 and 13, 2005. It's still a few weeks away,
but it would be great if I'm not the only one there to represent us. ;)
I can provide a computer to demo the sites (eg, let the visiting rabble
edit), but we probably want some distributable literature/discs of some
kind, and a nice poster display or something.
If anybody can show up and would like to help out, please list yourself:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SCALE
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Using a webmail system I'm unfamiliar with that sorted messages in the reverse
order, so I inadvertantly replied to a 7-month old thread. =]
-Mark
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>I plan to be the coordinator for our Q1 2005 fund drive sometime in mid January
>to early February. The timing will likely coincide with Wikipedia Day and
>perhaps the 500,000th English Wikipedia article and maybe some other milestones
>along with distribution of the newsletter. I never considered having a fund
>drive right before/during the winter holidays...
>-- mav
Great :-)
In any cases, since we do not have tax exemption yet, it is no use to try to make it for the end of the year. In January, people are broke :-) February will be a good choice.
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Erik Moeller skrev:
>Jonathan-
>>/ Now, the last week, some of our contributors have told us that they feel
>/>/ like duplicating the Wikipedia project, something that I cannot fully
>/>/ agree to. Wikipedia is encyclopedic and documentation isn't, meaning
>/>/ that it not really fits there. I know about Wikibooks, but the whole
>/>/ concept of a "single place for GNU/Linux and Free Software
>/>/ documentation" would be a little far off.
>/
>I'm not sure I can follow you here. I initiated openfacts.berlios.de for
>this purpose a while ago, but it never really took off, and I did not put
>much further effort into it. Today I think that this kind of work should
>take place on Wikibooks. You can create a portal page specifically for
>open source documentation, and we'd be glad to set up some convenient
>redirect there like opensource.wikibooks.org.
>
>
Sounds great to me, could I get any help or advice on doing this,
please? I think that this quite well addresses the needs that a free
software wiki has.
>Of course there are drawbacks: Recent changes will include changes to all
>books; linking specifically within the context of the open source section
>will require specifying some kind of namespace or pseudo-namespace, etc.
>But I believe that the right answer to these problems is to gradually
>improve the software to better deal with these issues, e.g. by filtering
>recent changes by namespace, and making certain namespaces "closed", so
>that any link you create within them points to pages in the same
>namespace.
>
>
That is a good point, and does not seem too hard to achieve.
>In other words, I'd rather you outline the needs you think must be met
>before Wikibooks can become a useful open source portal, than starting a
>separate project.
>
>
The wiki is of course supposed to be quite easily navigated, both for
newbies and more advanced users. Also, the documentation is supposed to
be on-topic and focused, just like any howto you would find on tldp.
Unix manuals are also a little special, we have solved that on our wiki
by using a separate namespace (would that even be possible on wikibooks?).
Internationalization is also important, and is also one of the reasons
we started our wiki in the first place. There is a lot of Linux
documentation on the net, but most of it is in english. The need for
high-quality documentation in other languages is the driving factor here.
Jonathan
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:15:34 -0500, Douglas Jackson <djackson(a)e-gold.com> wrote:
> The link to the e-gold site isn't essential or required. Its
> just a way to capitalize on the likelihood that many members of the Wiki
> community never heard of e-gold before. That would be good for you because
> if they visit the e-gold site by following a link structured like
> http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid={your account number} and end up
> eventually creating an e-gold account and using it, a portion of all e-gold
> payment processing fees generated by their subsequent usage would
> automatically be distributed to the account you designate. It is a permanent
> entitlement. Whatever these new e-gold users do over the years, whether
> buying stuff online (as more prominent merchants eventually undertake to
> accept e-gold), paying bills, or using it for international remittances,
> their activity would still be generating revenue for the Foundation.
If it's only a link in the donations page, while making sure that the
arrangement is fully explained and that there are no legal problems
with the non-profit status, then it's a matter for the board to decide
I would think. Personally, I seriously doubt there would be that many
people who would make use of it to generate any significant funds.
--
[[en:User:Dori]]
Thank you very much for this very detailed report Erik.
It is most appreciated and interesting.
Anthere
I have posted a brief summary of the first month of Wikinews operations
and my thoughts on where the project is going:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Eloquence/State_of_the_Wiki
This summary can also be used for the next WikiQuarto newsletter.
All best,
Erik
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--- Marco Krohn <marco.krohn(a)web.de> wrote on Wikipedia-l:
> Christoph Lange asked (posting attached below) on the wikide-l mailing list
> wether there will a fundraising drive shortly before Christmas. He argues
> that while it is possible to donate money anytime that it would be more fun
> to do this within a concentrated fundraising drive and also that people
> around Christmas time are in a donation mood :-)
I plan to be the coordinator for our Q1 2005 fund drive sometime in mid January
to early February. The timing will likely coincide with Wikipedia Day and
perhaps the 500,000th English Wikipedia article and maybe some other milestones
along with distribution of the newsletter. I never considered having a fund
drive right before/during the winter holidays...
-- mav
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