http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html
Read the editorial section in the above link. My opinion on the advetising was the same. As a member of the team i dont minf addmitting that i only contributed a small amount near the end of the planning and all offsite, and acknowledge that a lot of work goes into this BUT.
I AGREE it needs to be better. The only stream i could access was the AD supported stream and even that was poor. For next year i think this needs to improve. I propose that we have .ogg and .rm feeds live in a Java player that can be accessed by ALL users with no ads. Also archives should be up within the hour or less. Considering the Wikipedia community is pretty much online based online contribution is a major factor in any of our events and it needs to get better.
Therefore as soon as the result is announced (which is when?? i digress!!) we start serious work on this on the mailing list and not leave it to the last minute. IMO we need to do doubly well next year to make up for this year.
As part of this i propose that we start forming a team of people who are willing to work on the online side of Wikimania 08 now in preparation for next year. Also i think online provisions should be considered in bids, maybe only as a minor point but i think it should be thought about.
Overall next year i dont want to be reading the same but i think ive said enough. If anyone thinks differently or the same then say. Lets all help to change it next year.
Mark
On 17/08/07, Wikinews Markie newsmarkie@googlemail.com wrote:
http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html
Read the editorial section in the above link. My opinion on the advetising was the same. As a member of the team i dont minf addmitting that i only contributed a small amount near the end of the planning and all offsite, and acknowledge that a lot of work goes into this BUT.
I AGREE it needs to be better. The only stream i could access was the AD supported stream and even that was poor. For next year i think this needs to improve. I propose that we have .ogg and .rm feeds live in a Java player that can be accessed by ALL users with no ads. Also archives should be up within the hour or less. Considering the Wikipedia community is pretty much online based online contribution is a major factor in any of our events and it needs to get better.
Therefore as soon as the result is announced (which is when?? i digress!!) we start serious work on this on the mailing list and not leave it to the last minute. IMO we need to do doubly well next year to make up for this year.
As part of this i propose that we start forming a team of people who are willing to work on the online side of Wikimania 08 now in preparation for next year. Also i think online provisions should be considered in bids, maybe only as a minor point but i think it should be thought about.
Overall next year i dont want to be reading the same but i think ive said enough. If anyone thinks differently or the same then say. Lets all help to change it next year.
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It's pretty useless to work on it 12 months before. Technically what's needed is to everything to be setted up and testes before the beginning of Wikimania, and this is on-site work. Off-line all you can say is "We need one server for the streaming, x server for the replication, x camera etc..."
An other thing, is live streamin that important? I mean as long as sessions are recorded do we really need to have a live streaming? Everybody will be on a different timezone, in my opinion we should plan and prepare a proper file streaming with all the sessions downloadable quickly. And Streaming (file or live) is not a priority in Wikimania organisation
An other thing, is live streamin that important? I mean as long as sessions are recorded do we really need to have a live streaming? Everybody will be on a different timezone, in my opinion we should plan and prepare a proper file streaming with all the sessions downloadable quickly. And Streaming (file or live) is not a priority in Wikimania organisation
I agree that streaming is not at all important. If people can view lectures one day later, that is definitely good enough. Now my question is, who is going to go through those HUGE ogg video files from this year at 300 MB each and split them into their individual lectures, so they can be viewable?
Chuck
It's pretty useless to work on it 12 months before. Technically what's needed is to everything to be setted up and testes before the beginning of Wikimania, and this is on-site work. Off-line all you can say is "We need one server for the streaming, x server for the replication, x camera etc..."
An other thing, is live streamin that important? I mean as long as sessions are recorded do we really need to have a live streaming? Everybody will be on a different timezone, in my opinion we should plan and prepare a proper file streaming with all the sessions downloadable quickly. And Streaming (file or live) is not a priority in Wikimania organisation
-- schiste
im not saying that it is a major part of the conference but im saying its seen by the people who do use it and if we get feedback like this then were obviously not doing it well enough. the main groan ive heard so far was the webpages for the feeds and this can be done offsite and before it. if you dont want to get involved then thats fine.
i also agree that archives are a problem should be discussed for next year so as to get them up as quickly as possible.
mark
it's not that hard to do the streaming
have a mixer (I like the mackie 1402vlz pro) take the record output and use an ipod (1/4" M minijack -> M RCA) adapter and plug that into the back of a computer that preferably has linux loaded. A laptop is not recommended as I've never had good experiences using them for this. you only need 100kbps for the streams as it's not like you're trying to stream high quality audio. I don't remember what the video streams require, I think it's 600kbps?
setup ices on it, send it to an icecast server and have relays off of that. I did it with freematrix radio and at the first conference and it worked fine except for the random dropouts because everything was working off wireless only, and we all know how reliable wireless is...
there is also a java based ogg player that I used with freematrix radio and I believe I still have.
On the other hand taking the recordings and making decent release version is a bit more time consuming and requires a team of dedicated people.
Sorry I didn't help out this year, I had my reasons though.
cheers, Kyle
yup this is the kind of stuff we are talking about and this is what we want to sort as soon as possible. will you be helping this year because you obviously know your stuff??
also the main probs with the streams this year was the user side webpages but i think ive managed to solve this by getting in contact with greg maxwell about the wikimedia player used on commons that should work on every concievable platform. couple this with the one i set up last minute this year and iron out the creases i think were doing well.
just wait to see where it is then.
thanks mark
On 8/20/07, Kyle Lutze kyle@randomvoids.com wrote:
it's not that hard to do the streaming
have a mixer (I like the mackie 1402vlz pro) take the record output and use an ipod (1/4" M minijack -> M RCA) adapter and plug that into the back of a computer that preferably has linux loaded. A laptop is not recommended as I've never had good experiences using them for this. you only need 100kbps for the streams as it's not like you're trying to stream high quality audio. I don't remember what the video streams require, I think it's 600kbps?
setup ices on it, send it to an icecast server and have relays off of that. I did it with freematrix radio and at the first conference and it worked fine except for the random dropouts because everything was working off wireless only, and we all know how reliable wireless is...
there is also a java based ogg player that I used with freematrix radio and I believe I still have.
On the other hand taking the recordings and making decent release version is a bit more time consuming and requires a team of dedicated people.
Sorry I didn't help out this year, I had my reasons though.
cheers, Kyle
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On 8/17/07, Christophe Henner christophe.henner@gmail.com wrote:
An other thing, is live streamin that important? I mean as long as sessions are recorded do we really need to have a live streaming? Everybody will be on a different timezone, in my opinion we should plan and prepare a proper file streaming with all the sessions downloadable quickly. And Streaming (file or live) is not a priority in Wikimania organisation
I think live streaming is important, and not just for Wikimania. It can be useful outside of the yearly conferences, I'm sure you will agree.
As for it's priority to Wikimania and the Wikimania org, it depends on what kind of a conference we are trying to foster. There are many people who can't attend in person, but it would be great if they could interact in the sessions and with the live attendees.
Just my 0.02.
Gerald
On 8/25/07, Gerald A geraldablists@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/17/07, Christophe Henner christophe.henner@gmail.com wrote:
An other thing, is live streamin that important? I mean as long as sessions are recorded do we really need to have a live streaming? Everybody will be on a different timezone, in my opinion we should plan and prepare a proper file streaming with all the sessions downloadable quickly. And Streaming (file or live) is not a priority in Wikimania organisation
I think live streaming is important, and not just for Wikimania. It can be useful outside of the yearly conferences, I'm sure you will agree.
As for it's priority to Wikimania and the Wikimania org, it depends on what kind of a conference we are trying to foster. There are many people who can't attend in person, but it would be great if they could interact in the sessions and with the live attendees.
I think this was among the ideas brainstormed for Wikimania 2007.
Just my 0.02.
Gerald
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