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I wish to find out why no updates are given on Google+ too. Any special reasons? Someone like me has no facebook nor twitter account. That means I can't follow the event?
On 22 January 2013 10:38, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
I wish to find out why no updates are given on Google+ too. Any special reasons? Someone like me has no facebook nor twitter account. That means I can't follow the event?
Do enough people use Google+ to make it worthwhile?
Hi All
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
On 22 January 2013 10:38, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
I wish to find out why no updates are given on Google+ too. Any special reasons? Someone like me has no facebook nor twitter account. That means
I
can't follow the event?
Do enough people use Google+ to make it worthwhile?
That is the question,
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but google +... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Cross-posting your post, if that's the problem, shouldn't be. By putting in a little effort, you get your cross-posting donehttp://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-use-google-as-your-social-media-dashboard-to-cross-post-to-facebook-twitter-more/
WMF, WMCommons, Wikipedia, and other chapters have got a page on G+. So why not Wikimania?
For one thing, Wikimedia is way too silent on Google+. Apart from posts from WMF and Wikipedia nothing is heard on Google+
I created a Wikiversity page myself to share one or two posts about Wikiversityhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CIsBEPYJUAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F110757320967660384279%3Fsocpid%3D1%26socfid%3Dweb%3Ainfocard%3Adefault%3Atitle&ei=Pon-UKajHJO0hAf8t4CYCQ&usg=AFQjCNHAMVaRH8hyz_ayyA44DYUOcO1h3Q&sig2=mFTOFPt990-G8IQEr4cfwA&bvm=bv.41248874,d.d2k .
At least, we should be balanced in our social media platform use.
rex
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan wrote:
Hi All
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'thomas.dalton@gmail.com');>
wrote:
On 22 January 2013 10:38, Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'nkansahrexford@gmail.com');>> wrote:
I wish to find out why no updates are given on Google+ too. Any special reasons? Someone like me has no facebook nor twitter account. That
means I
can't follow the event?
Do enough people use Google+ to make it worthwhile?
That is the question,
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but google +... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan < yuyu@wikimedia.hk> wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but google +... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
-Andrew
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan < yuyu@wikimedia.hk <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'yuyu@wikimedia.hk');>>wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but google +... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
-Andrew
Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+? What else you're looking for? https://developers.google.com/+/
* So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API. * * * Are we the one *not using the API *, or they don't *provide the API*?
Its just a point of correction though. ;)
Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as WMF/Wikipedia/some wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to have one too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they deserve a wikimania page, at least.
For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but for wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
Unfortunately at this point the Google+ API is ''read-only''. So it is not feasible to develop social media clients that automatically post to Google+. I guess that is what Andrew et al meant.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but google +... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
-Andrew
Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+? What else you're looking for? https://developers.google.com/+/
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
Are we the one not using the API , or they don't provide the API?
Its just a point of correction though. ;)
Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as WMF/Wikipedia/some wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to have one too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they deserve a wikimania page, at least.
For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but for wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
-- +Rexford | +Blender Academy
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Having to manually update Google+ is a serious negative for its use: volunteer time is a very precious resource. Simply because other groups (most of which have paid employees) are doing it doesn't mean that every group ought to invest its limited resources in doing so. It's not a popular site, it's resource-intensive to maintain, and most of the target audience on Google+ is also present on at least one of the other locations that are regularly being maintained. I'd not consider it a priority.
Risker/Anne
On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Risker wrote:
Having to manually update Google+ is a serious negative for its use: volunteer time is a very precious resource. Simply because other groups (most of which have paid employees) are doing it doesn't mean that every group ought to invest its limited resources in doing so. It's not a popular site, it's resource-intensive to maintain, and most of the target audience on Google+ is also present on at least one of the other locations that are regularly being maintained. I'd not consider it a priority.
Risker/Anne
What Risker said. Wikimania 2012 had zero presence on Google+ so I wouldn't be surprised if Wikimania 2013 made the same decision.
James Hare
Thanks for the clarification on the G+ -- there are severe API limitations and not the lack of an API entirely.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Daniel Schwen lists@schwen.de wrote:
Unfortunately at this point the Google+ API is ''read-only''. So it is not feasible to develop social media clients that automatically post to Google+. I guess that is what Andrew et al meant.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but
+... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
-Andrew
Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+? What else you're looking for? https://developers.google.com/+/
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their
exposure by
not providing an API.
Are we the one not using the API , or they don't provide the API?
Its just a point of correction though. ;)
Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as WMF/Wikipedia/some wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to have
one
too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they deserve a wikimania page, at least.
For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but for wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
-- +Rexford | +Blender Academy
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
tl;dr - sign up to Twitter instead. ;) -- Joseph Fox English Wikipedia
On 22 Jan 2013, at 18:35, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
Thanks for the clarification on the G+ -- there are severe API limitations and not the lack of an API entirely.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Daniel Schwen lists@schwen.de wrote: Unfortunately at this point the Google+ API is ''read-only''. So it is not feasible to develop social media clients that automatically post to Google+. I guess that is what Andrew et al meant.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but google +... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
-Andrew
Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+? What else you're looking for? https://developers.google.com/+/
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
Are we the one not using the API , or they don't provide the API?
Its just a point of correction though. ;)
Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as WMF/Wikipedia/some wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to have one too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they deserve a wikimania page, at least.
For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but for wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
-- +Rexford | +Blender Academy
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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"Like"
… wait. ;)
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On Jan 22, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxwiki@gmail.com wrote:
tl;dr - sign up to Twitter instead. ;)
Joseph Fox English Wikipedia
On 22 Jan 2013, at 18:35, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
Thanks for the clarification on the G+ -- there are severe API limitations and not the lack of an API entirely.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Daniel Schwen lists@schwen.de wrote: Unfortunately at this point the Google+ API is ''read-only''. So it is not feasible to develop social media clients that automatically post to Google+. I guess that is what Andrew et al meant.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but google +... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
-Andrew
Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+? What else you're looking for? https://developers.google.com/+/
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
Are we the one not using the API , or they don't provide the API?
Its just a point of correction though. ;)
Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as WMF/Wikipedia/some wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to have one too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they deserve a wikimania page, at least.
For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but for wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
-- +Rexford | +Blender Academy
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
-- -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism USC Annenberg School of Communication and Journalism Email: andrew@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http:/www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: WikiFactcheck: http://wikifactcheck.org/wiki
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There is a $49 solution.
http://www.nextscripts.com/google-plus-automated-posting/
And a free one
http://code.google.com/p/socials-auto-poster/
John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Jan 23, 2013 4:46 AM, "Daniel Schwen" lists@schwen.de wrote:
Unfortunately at this point the Google+ API is ''read-only''. So it is not feasible to develop social media clients that automatically post to Google+. I guess that is what Andrew et al meant.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but
+... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by not providing an API.
-Andrew
Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+? What else you're looking for? https://developers.google.com/+/
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their
exposure by
not providing an API.
Are we the one not using the API , or they don't provide the API?
Its just a point of correction though. ;)
Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as WMF/Wikipedia/some wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to have
one
too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they deserve a wikimania page, at least.
For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but for wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
-- +Rexford | +Blender Academy
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
I wish to learn about how *much *(in $) it cost the managers of Wikimedia Foundation and Wikipedia page on Google+ submit a single post.
The instance of time and resources chipped into the act of having a page on Google+, i think doesn't hold. How long will it cost the one posting onto the fb and twitter platforms (in terms of time and energy) to copy, paste and share that same post on Google+?
I kind of feel surprised at how time and resources are raised as if its gonna cost WMF 10s of 1000s of dollars to implement that.
@James Wikimania DC had no presence on G+. At least, i think Wikimania HK can break that record!
The idea of api limitations etc, well, fine! how does that prevent cross-platform posting? There are so many handy and easy-to-use tools available to facilitate that, irrespective of Google not having one themselves. In fact, if *there's the will, there's a way* * * I guess, i kind of sense a bit of personal preference in these platforms selection other than seeing them as they should be seen. Critically looking, I can also say that cross posting onto twitter from fb is not necessary since all (if not almost) the users on twitter who follow Wikimania are on fb.
i hope this issue is seen as it should, other than concentrating on google's api's, and other factors, that to me, are baseless.
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, John Vandenberg wrote:
There is a $49 solution.
http://www.nextscripts.com/google-plus-automated-posting/
And a free one
http://code.google.com/p/socials-auto-poster/
John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Jan 23, 2013 4:46 AM, "Daniel Schwen" <lists@schwen.de<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'lists@schwen.de');>> wrote:
Unfortunately at this point the Google+ API is ''read-only''. So it is not feasible to develop social media clients that automatically post to Google+. I guess that is what Andrew et al meant.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'nkansahrexford@gmail.com');>> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan <yuyu@wikimedia.hk <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'yuyu@wikimedia.hk');>>
wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but
+... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their
exposure
by not providing an API.
-Andrew
Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+? What else you're looking for? https://developers.google.com/+/
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their
exposure by
not providing an API.
Are we the one not using the API , or they don't provide the API?
Its just a point of correction though. ;)
Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as
WMF/Wikipedia/some
wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to have
one
too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they deserve
a
wikimania page, at least.
For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but for wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
-- +Rexford | +Blender Academy
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org');>
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org');> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
It costs time, Nkansah, not money. Of the two, time is more valuable when we are talking about volunteers, who have to respond to questions posted (not to mention misinformation that will inevitably also be posted), not just copy and paste messages. Any social media presence needs to be assigned to a knowledgeable volunteer for moderation. Keep in mind that the WMF as an entity employs people who are specifically tasked to maintain and moderate their various social media presences; Wikimania HK is largely volunteer-driven, and those few volunteers are organizing a major conference, with this just being a tiny sample of the tasks being done. If it takes an hour a week (a very conservative estimate), that's an hour that isn't spent on reviewing programming, or negotiating special hotel rates, or providing information on visas.
Should the Wikimania HK team decide that there's value in adding Google+ to their social media presence, I'll fully support their doing so: they're in the best position to understand their resources. If they don't, I'll fully support that too.
Risker/Anne
On 22 January 2013 16:51, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
I wish to learn about how *much *(in $) it cost the managers of Wikimedia Foundation and Wikipedia page on Google+ submit a single post.
The instance of time and resources chipped into the act of having a page on Google+, i think doesn't hold. How long will it cost the one posting onto the fb and twitter platforms (in terms of time and energy) to copy, paste and share that same post on Google+?
I kind of feel surprised at how time and resources are raised as if its gonna cost WMF 10s of 1000s of dollars to implement that.
@James Wikimania DC had no presence on G+. At least, i think Wikimania HK can break that record!
The idea of api limitations etc, well, fine! how does that prevent cross-platform posting? There are so many handy and easy-to-use tools available to facilitate that, irrespective of Google not having one themselves. In fact, if *there's the will, there's a way*
I guess, i kind of sense a bit of personal preference in these platforms selection other than seeing them as they should be seen. Critically looking, I can also say that cross posting onto twitter from fb is not necessary since all (if not almost) the users on twitter who follow Wikimania are on fb.
i hope this issue is seen as it should, other than concentrating on google's api's, and other factors, that to me, are baseless.
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, John Vandenberg wrote:
There is a $49 solution.
http://www.nextscripts.com/google-plus-automated-posting/
And a free one
http://code.google.com/p/socials-auto-poster/
John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Jan 23, 2013 4:46 AM, "Daniel Schwen" lists@schwen.de wrote:
Unfortunately at this point the Google+ API is ''read-only''. So it is not feasible to develop social media clients that automatically post to Google+. I guess that is what Andrew et al meant.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't
open
its API for sync post so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but
+... anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like Facebook and Twitter.
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their
exposure
by not providing an API.
-Andrew
Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+?
What
else you're looking for? https://developers.google.com/+/
So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their
exposure by
not providing an API.
Are we the one not using the API , or they don't provide the API?
Its just a point of correction though. ;)
Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as
WMF/Wikipedia/some
wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to
have one
too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they
deserve a
wikimania page, at least.
For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but
for
wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
-- +Rexford | +Blender Academy
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.comwrote:
I wish to learn about how *much *(in $) it cost the managers of Wikimedia Foundation and Wikipedia page on Google+ submit a single post.
The instance of time and resources chipped into the act of having a page on Google+, i think doesn't hold. How long will it cost the one posting onto the fb and twitter platforms (in terms of time and energy) to copy, paste and share that same post on Google+?
I kind of feel surprised at how time and resources are raised as if its gonna cost WMF 10s of 1000s of dollars to implement that.
@James Wikimania DC had no presence on G+. At least, i think Wikimania HK can break that record!
The idea of api limitations etc, well, fine! how does that prevent cross-platform posting? There are so many handy and easy-to-use tools available to facilitate that, irrespective of Google not having one themselves. In fact, if *there's the will, there's a way*
I guess, i kind of sense a bit of personal preference in these platforms selection other than seeing them as they should be seen. Critically looking, I can also say that cross posting onto twitter from fb is not necessary since all (if not almost) the users on twitter who follow Wikimania are on fb.
i hope this issue is seen as it should, other than concentrating on google's api's, and other factors, that to me, are baseless.
Nkansah, if you volunteer to maintain a G+ page for Wikimania HK, or set up replication from Facebook, I'm sure the organizers will accept gratefully :)
@Tisza I would love to volunteer in doing that too, if only there's even a volunteering slot for that.
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Tisza Gergő wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Nkansah Rexford < nkansahrexford@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'nkansahrexford@gmail.com');>> wrote:
I wish to learn about how *much *(in $) it cost the managers of Wikimedia Foundation and Wikipedia page on Google+ submit a single post.
The instance of time and resources chipped into the act of having a page on Google+, i think doesn't hold. How long will it cost the one posting onto the fb and twitter platforms (in terms of time and energy) to copy, paste and share that same post on Google+?
I kind of feel surprised at how time and resources are raised as if its gonna cost WMF 10s of 1000s of dollars to implement that.
@James Wikimania DC had no presence on G+. At least, i think Wikimania HK can break that record!
The idea of api limitations etc, well, fine! how does that prevent cross-platform posting? There are so many handy and easy-to-use tools available to facilitate that, irrespective of Google not having one themselves. In fact, if *there's the will, there's a way*
I guess, i kind of sense a bit of personal preference in these platforms selection other than seeing them as they should be seen. Critically looking, I can also say that cross posting onto twitter from fb is not necessary since all (if not almost) the users on twitter who follow Wikimania are on fb.
i hope this issue is seen as it should, other than concentrating on google's api's, and other factors, that to me, are baseless.
Nkansah, if you volunteer to maintain a G+ page for Wikimania HK, or set up replication from Facebook, I'm sure the organizers will accept gratefully :)
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Tisza Gergő gtisza@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
I wish to learn about how much (in $) it cost the managers of Wikimedia Foundation and Wikipedia page on Google+ submit a single post.
The instance of time and resources chipped into the act of having a page on Google+, i think doesn't hold. How long will it cost the one posting onto the fb and twitter platforms (in terms of time and energy) to copy, paste and share that same post on Google+?
I kind of feel surprised at how time and resources are raised as if its gonna cost WMF 10s of 1000s of dollars to implement that.
@James Wikimania DC had no presence on G+. At least, i think Wikimania HK can break that record!
The idea of api limitations etc, well, fine! how does that prevent cross-platform posting? There are so many handy and easy-to-use tools available to facilitate that, irrespective of Google not having one themselves. In fact, if there's the will, there's a way
I guess, i kind of sense a bit of personal preference in these platforms selection other than seeing them as they should be seen. Critically looking, I can also say that cross posting onto twitter from fb is not necessary since all (if not almost) the users on twitter who follow Wikimania are on fb.
i hope this issue is seen as it should, other than concentrating on google's api's, and other factors, that to me, are baseless.
Nkansah, if you volunteer to maintain a G+ page for Wikimania HK, or set up replication from Facebook, I'm sure the organizers will accept gratefully :)
I am defacto doing that until they tell me not to / or take it over. ;-)
That's fine @John.
In case you'll wish to have others help you manage the page, i'll be willing to help.
but for now, you're the *defacto *:)
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013, John Vandenberg wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Tisza Gergő <gtisza@gmail.comjavascript:;> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Nkansah Rexford <
nkansahrexford@gmail.com javascript:;>
wrote:
I wish to learn about how much (in $) it cost the managers of Wikimedia Foundation and Wikipedia page on Google+ submit a single post.
The instance of time and resources chipped into the act of having a page on Google+, i think doesn't hold. How long will it cost the one posting
onto
the fb and twitter platforms (in terms of time and energy) to copy,
paste
and share that same post on Google+?
I kind of feel surprised at how time and resources are raised as if its gonna cost WMF 10s of 1000s of dollars to implement that.
@James Wikimania DC had no presence on G+. At least, i think Wikimania
HK
can break that record!
The idea of api limitations etc, well, fine! how does that prevent cross-platform posting? There are so many handy and easy-to-use tools available to facilitate that, irrespective of Google not having one themselves. In fact, if there's the will, there's a way
I guess, i kind of sense a bit of personal preference in these platforms selection other than seeing them as they should be seen. Critically
looking,
I can also say that cross posting onto twitter from fb is not necessary since all (if not almost) the users on twitter who follow Wikimania are
on
fb.
i hope this issue is seen as it should, other than concentrating on google's api's, and other factors, that to me, are baseless.
Nkansah, if you volunteer to maintain a G+ page for Wikimania HK, or set
up
replication from Facebook, I'm sure the organizers will accept
gratefully :)
I am defacto doing that until they tell me not to / or take it over. ;-)
-- John Vandenberg
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
FYI
As reports the G.I.W., "Google grows to become 2nd largest social platform globally." - http://goo.gl/tNWEm
"Google+, who despite being branded a failure or ghost town by large portions of the media, grew in terms of active usage by 27% to 343m users to become the number 2 social platform. Interestingly for Google,"
Trust me, in 1 more year time, Google+ will be the world's number one most used social media platform platform. The earlier Wikimania jumps onto g+ *faithfully and continually, *the better. Practically, i hardly see a future in twitter, even facebook is better.
Just a note for those underestimating g+
rex
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
That's fine @John.
In case you'll wish to have others help you manage the page, i'll be willing to help.
but for now, you're the *defacto *:)
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013, John Vandenberg wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Tisza Gergő gtisza@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Nkansah Rexford <
nkansahrexford@gmail.com>
wrote:
I wish to learn about how much (in $) it cost the managers of Wikimedia Foundation and Wikipedia page on Google+ submit a single post.
The instance of time and resources chipped into the act of having a
page
on Google+, i think doesn't hold. How long will it cost the one
posting onto
the fb and twitter platforms (in terms of time and energy) to copy,
paste
and share that same post on Google+?
I kind of feel surprised at how time and resources are raised as if its gonna cost WMF 10s of 1000s of dollars to implement that.
@James Wikimania DC had no presence on G+. At least, i think Wikimania
HK
can break that record!
The idea of api limitations etc, well, fine! how does that prevent cross-platform posting? There are so many handy and easy-to-use tools available to facilitate that, irrespective of Google not having one themselves. In fact, if there's the will, there's a way
I guess, i kind of sense a bit of personal preference in these
platforms
selection other than seeing them as they should be seen. Critically
looking,
I can also say that cross posting onto twitter from fb is not necessary since all (if not almost) the users on twitter who follow Wikimania
are on
fb.
i hope this issue is seen as it should, other than concentrating on google's api's, and other factors, that to me, are baseless.
Nkansah, if you volunteer to maintain a G+ page for Wikimania HK, or
set up
replication from Facebook, I'm sure the organizers will accept
gratefully :)
I am defacto doing that until they tell me not to / or take it over. ;-)
-- John Vandenberg
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Hi Nkansah,
In the past years I have heard people making such claims either way: Google+ will rule the world, and it will come to nothing. But in the end that is not what matters - what matters is that this is a volunteer run effort, and that this kind of social media outreach will only happen if the volunteers involved are enthusiast about it. Clearly, the organizers of Wikimania have different priority on it - and I think it is good if you and John want to spend some time to run this social media outlet :) Just don't hold it against others.
Lodewijk
2013/1/26 Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com
FYI
As reports the G.I.W., "Google grows to become 2nd largest social platform globally." - http://goo.gl/tNWEm
"Google+, who despite being branded a failure or ghost town by large portions of the media, grew in terms of active usage by 27% to 343m users to become the number 2 social platform. Interestingly for Google,"
Trust me, in 1 more year time, Google+ will be the world's number one most used social media platform platform. The earlier Wikimania jumps onto g+ *faithfully and continually, *the better. Practically, i hardly see a future in twitter, even facebook is better.
Just a note for those underestimating g+
rex
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
That's fine @John.
In case you'll wish to have others help you manage the page, i'll be willing to help.
but for now, you're the *defacto *:)
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013, John Vandenberg wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Tisza Gergő gtisza@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Nkansah Rexford <
nkansahrexford@gmail.com>
wrote:
I wish to learn about how much (in $) it cost the managers of
Wikimedia
Foundation and Wikipedia page on Google+ submit a single post.
The instance of time and resources chipped into the act of having a
page
on Google+, i think doesn't hold. How long will it cost the one
posting onto
the fb and twitter platforms (in terms of time and energy) to copy,
paste
and share that same post on Google+?
I kind of feel surprised at how time and resources are raised as if
its
gonna cost WMF 10s of 1000s of dollars to implement that.
@James Wikimania DC had no presence on G+. At least, i think
Wikimania HK
can break that record!
The idea of api limitations etc, well, fine! how does that prevent cross-platform posting? There are so many handy and easy-to-use tools available to facilitate that, irrespective of Google not having one themselves. In fact, if there's the will, there's a way
I guess, i kind of sense a bit of personal preference in these
platforms
selection other than seeing them as they should be seen. Critically
looking,
I can also say that cross posting onto twitter from fb is not
necessary
since all (if not almost) the users on twitter who follow Wikimania
are on
fb.
i hope this issue is seen as it should, other than concentrating on google's api's, and other factors, that to me, are baseless.
Nkansah, if you volunteer to maintain a G+ page for Wikimania HK, or
set up
replication from Facebook, I'm sure the organizers will accept
gratefully :)
I am defacto doing that until they tell me not to / or take it over. ;-)
-- John Vandenberg
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@Thomas
I'm not good g+ stats though but as at beginning of this year there were 400M+ of users on G+.
Not many that deserves a wikimania page?
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 22 January 2013 10:38, Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford@gmail.comjavascript:;> wrote:
I wish to find out why no updates are given on Google+ too. Any special reasons? Someone like me has no facebook nor twitter account. That means
I
can't follow the event?
Do enough people use Google+ to make it worthwhile?
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On 22 Jan 2013, at 12:32, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
@Thomas
I'm not good g+ stats though but as at beginning of this year there were 400M+ of users on G+.
Not many that deserves a wikimania page?
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 22 January 2013 10:38, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
I wish to find out why no updates are given on Google+ too. Any special reasons? Someone like me has no facebook nor twitter account. That means I can't follow the event?
Do enough people use Google+ to make it worthwhile?
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On 22 January 2013 12:32, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
@Thomas
I'm not good g+ stats though but as at beginning of this year there were 400M+ of users on G+.
I question that statistic. How many of those are people that were automatically registered by Google but have never actually done anything on the site?
Not a google+ forum, but lemme pause here for second to explain: If you create an account on Google, you automatically have a *google profile *page. However, to be on *google plus *you will have to *upgrade *your profile (a process that takes place the first time you visit plus.google.com when logged in.)
Thus, *all *google account holders have a *google profile *but not all are on *google+*
The users i'm talking about are not the ones have google profiles, i'm talking about those who've upgraded from *google profile *to *google plus*, like myself.
And you doubt that stats?
rex
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 22 January 2013 12:32, Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford@gmail.comjavascript:;> wrote:
@Thomas
I'm not good g+ stats though but as at beginning of this year there were 400M+ of users on G+.
I question that statistic. How many of those are people that were automatically registered by Google but have never actually done anything on the site?
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.comwrote:
Not a google+ forum, but lemme pause here for second to explain: If you create an account on Google, you automatically have a *google profile *page. However, to be on *google plus *you will have to *upgrade *your profile (a process that takes place the first time you visit plus.google.com when logged in.)
Thus, *all *google account holders have a *google profile *but not all are on *google+*
The users i'm talking about are not the ones have google profiles, i'm talking about those who've upgraded from *google profile *to *google plus*, like myself.
And you doubt that stats?
rex
To be honest, i do ;) I accidentally have a google plus account on 2 google accounts (including this one) when I actively attempted to have it on just one. However because of the amount of pushing that google was doing I twice got caught with "oh, wait! I didn't meant to do that!" actions where they snuck in an google+ account upgrade without me noticing while trying to do something else.
That said the real question isn't how many people are on the service but how many people use it actively, how many people use it exclusively and how many people prefer it over their other social networks. While we use it at the foundation I personally decided it wasn't worth my time or effort. To few posts and what I saw was almost all mirrored to some extant or another on other social networks. It also really got in the way of the fact that I had multiple google accounts (1 connected to work and 2 personal that actually dump into the same box) since it steadfastly refused to let me put them all on the same G+ account.
It was a great idea but I haven't seen it to be worthwhile yet and I wouldn't actually blame anyone who decided to skip it when trying to do a social media presence with limited resources.
James
James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
I created a Wikimania page last week
https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116447448432892218985/116447448432892218985/po...
Happy to hand it over to anyone closer to the organising committee.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.comwrote:
http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_page
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- This wiki is still under construction as the wiki is being setup.
- *Please follow us onTwitter http://twitter.com/wikimania2013 for
the latest updates from the local team.*
- *You may also RSVP on our Facebook event pagehttp://www.facebook.com/events/425224324154778/
- ...
I wish to find out why no updates are given on Google+ too. Any special reasons? Someone like me has no facebook nor twitter account. That means I can't follow the event?
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