Thanks for that clarification.
I agree that there are generally three datasources that can be used for this prefilling: the url (not applicable in the case of an app), wikidata and the monuments database (the latter is also used by erfgoedbot). I also agree that the best datasource to use, will probably depend on the country (in other countries the situation may be reverse). I think that the app should be able to use the monuments database - but I don't know if the developers give priority to wikidata or the monuments database.
Best, Lodewijk
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 1:11 PM Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
the current upload functionality (at least for Austrian monuments) includes the heritage ID, the short description / caption and the commonscat if one is available, otherwise the commonscat for heritage monuments of the municipality. When you look at https://www.wikidaheim.at/Q692625 for example, you'll see that the monuments have an already prefilled uploadlink that also includes the caption: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:uploadWizard?campaign=wlm-at&...
The caption/description is only available in Wikipedia lists via the ErfgoedBot and not necessarily Wikidata, so the best datasource for established heritage projects is probably said bot's database, as it regularly goes through the Wikipedia lists and those are kept up to date (contrary to Wikidata).
BR, Philip
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 19:48, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Philip,
just to improve my understanding: what do you see as fundamentally different between using the app, and using any other upload method? The app developers are still working on integrating a campaign mode into the app, so there is some wiggle space in how to make that happen (although I don't want to speak for them, that is my best understanding). There would have to be at least the same amount of autofill information in the app as there is currently in the form, either straight from wikidata/monuments database or with a bot afterwards.
You do touch on a relevant issue: what data is most accurate to use. This is probably a question that lands differently from country to country. We may want to dig a bit deeper in general into how to improve this process. But that is beyond what we can expect from the app :)
Best, Lodewijk
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:39 PM Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Krishna,
which data is this based on and how will the campaign data be filled from the android app? As far as I'm aware, there's no automatism to prefill said data and it would be quite an additional burden on volunteers to have to sift through pictures uploaded via the app that are missing categories and descriptions that are otherwise prefilled.
If the source used is indeed Wikidata, at least in Austria that data hasn't been accurate ever since Wikimania Montreal.
BR, Philip
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 20:04, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvelaga@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:33 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvelaga@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Please check the following message from Wikimedia Commons Android app team, regarding WLM integration into the app.
(I am forwarding, as Josephine was unable to post to the list.)
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 03:48:12 +1000 Subject: WLM integration in Commons app
Hi all,
Just wanted to let you all know that we are planning to implement WLM integration into the Commons app (an Android app for users to upload photos to Commons) in the near future. :) Due to the current situation, we are unable to provide concrete estimates for when it will be completed, however I can say that September is unlikely, November might be possible, and in the worst case scenario it will certainly be done by 2021.
In the next month or two, I hope to be able to provide more details and a clearer timeline, and we will also start taking suggestions from organizers etc for desired features at that stage. I will post an update here as soon as possible.
We look forward to working with all of you to make WLM participation easier. :)
Best regards, Josephine / User:misaochan (Commons app project lead)
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