well, the rules can apply to giving prizes. if one cannot legally give out prizes to other nationalities -- that should be stated in the rules. then people who are not from the country will be notified, and if they decided to upload anyway -- that would be their own decision
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чт, 1 груд. 2022 р. о 17:01 effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com пише:
Procedurally, 'top ten photographers' seems harder to execute than 'top ten photos with only one photo per photographer' (comparing someone's entire set of submissions is just.. hard). But that is more a matter of execution than a value statement.
As for restricting who can participate: This is definitely up to the national team, and I know some countries have done so in the past. I would be cautious with the word 'native' of course, but that's mostly a matter of phrasing and political sensitivity. I suspect you mean 'inhabitants'.
If you restrict yourself to inhabitants, you should consider how many high quality images that would leave you with. If tourists are your main source of high quality images, would banning them from the competition help or hurt your goals? What are your goals exactly anyway? Are there other ways to achieve them? (think about special awards etc) But also consider: how will you enforce it? How will you verify that someone is an 'inhabitant' and what is your definition? For example, someone who spends 3 months per year in Suriname, would they be allowed to participate? And 6 months? 9 months? How would someone have to prove that they meet that definition?
In general, I always caution for rules that are negative in their nature: they have a tendency to mostly push people away, rather than encourage new participation from the group you feel you want more participation from. At least in the short term. It might be worth thinking about what positive measures you can think about towards that goal, how you could encourage and facilitate participation from people who currently live in Suriname.
Just my two cents :) This is definitely not a new conversation, and it's great to see people chime in with their experiences!
Lodewijk
On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 3:40 PM Rebecca O'Neill rebeccanineil@gmail.com wrote:
Having taken advice on this, from next year Ireland is going to award prizes to the top ten photographers rather than the top ten images. Though only allowing one image from each person in the top 10 is an interesting approach as well.
We have had non-Irish winners in the past, from the United States, Germany, and Israel and decided to award them anyway.
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 at 14:28, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I remember, each country can choose its own rule (within reason obviously). For instance, to answer Mārtiņš point, in most countries, one person can only be once in the Top 10 but some countries choose to keep the top 10 as it is (multiple photos by the same user or not).
I don't see why a country couldn't exclude non-native if it make sense locally, I'm more curious about how you determine if someone is native or not.
Cdlt, Nicolas
Le jeu. 1 déc. 2022 à 15:13, Mārtiņš Bruņenieks martinsb@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi!
We had a similar problem with (2) in a small country (Latvia). A good solution was to set a limit of max 3 images per person in the Top 10. If anyone gets more, these are discarded in favour of the next images in ranking.
Mārtiņš
ceturtd., 2022. g. 1. dec., plkst. 15:56 — lietotājs Michelle van Lanschot (vanlanschot@wikimedia.nl) rakstīja:
Dear everyone,
The WLM Suriname team will soon be evaluating this years competition, and we have two questions we would like to ask your advice on:
- The winner of this year's competition was not from Suriname, but
from the Netherlands. This has caused some criticism from the local community. Is it possible to only accept contributions by natives of Suriname? 2. This year's top ten has 7 pictures from the same uploader. How would we go about avoiding this next year?
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts!
Best regards,
Michelle van Lanschot Projectleider
(ma, di, wo, do)
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