I agree with Yaroslav and Éder above. I can just add that as we consider the goal of the contest to help illustrate Wikipedia and wikiprojects, we have been organising "special category/nominations" for objects that due to different reasons were not "officially recognised" by our state, but were valuable for illustrating Wikipedia. For example, Jewish Heritage https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%96%D1%8F:%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96_%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BC'%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8/%D0%84%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0?uselang=en. The pictures of the objects without "official status" were just not submitted to the international part of the contest, and only awarded locally (usually with some thematic partners). We even had cases when some of the objects were later recognised as monuments officially, and we had their pictures handy, or destroyed completely, and then having those pictures under a free license was at least something...
З повагою / Best regards,
antanana
Wiki Loves Monuments Ukraine Wikimania 2023 Program Subcommittee Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2023 Programme Committee
Disclaimer: This letter is sent in my Wikimedia volunteer capacity, not as a Board member of Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 21:26 Éder Porto F Alves eder.porto@hotmail.com wrote:
I agree with Yaroslav that the offical recognition status of monuments shouldn't raise problems on the lists.
I'm an advocate for local organizers define 1) what are their local concepts of "monuments" and 2) what are the monuments on their lists. Once this is done, the whole process comes down to (or should've come down to) the judgment of the technical criteria fo the images submitted.
The "monument" concept have different meanings in different cultures, as there are many reasons why "official recognition" status are not always present. In my opinion, this *requirement* would only act as a barrier for local heritage representation in the competition.
With best regards, Éder Porto
*De:* Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com *Enviado:* terça-feira, 27 de junho de 2023 13:17 *Para:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> *Assunto:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Participating without officially registered/published monument list?
Hi Michelle,
I am sure there were situations before when unofficial lists were used. I have been involved in the organization of WLM in Russia for many years, there are some official lists but there is no single complete list, so we had to compile our own database using a lot of sources. The database is incomplete and certainly unofficial but we still have been using it for years.
As soon as there is a list which is closed and the participation rules are clear, I do not see any significant problems.
(Having said this, I am not on the international jury, and at the end they decide what is accepted as international submissions. The St. Eustachius jury can decide anything concerning the competition at the country level).
Best regards Yaroslav
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 4:15 PM Michelle van Lanschot < vanlanschot@wikimedia.nl> wrote:
Dear all,
Wikimedia Nederland is in contact with the local government of St. Eustatius who wish to host Wiki Loves Monuments this year to promote their local monuments and heritage.
Due to the special status the island has within the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the lack of adequate laws for built heritage, there isn't an official published list of monuments that participants could use. There is an unofficial and unpublished list.
Is there a workaround for these kinds of situations?
Thank you so much for your help!
Best wishes,
Michelle van Lanschot Projectleider
(ma, di, wo, do)
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