On Jan 28, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/29 aude aude.wiki@gmail.com:
On Jan 28, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/29 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Tomasz Ganicz, 27/01/2012 23:43:
We wanted to make such a cooperation with OSM Poland - but it failed - mainly due to lack of commitment from Polish OSM community. I guess - we should rather use OSM data and make our own map service, by adding our slice of data. OSM people generaly like to edit OSM maps and it is hard to persuade them to do something extra :-)
Doesn't this produce any useful data for their maps?
Yes, of course - I might imagine that they will incorporate our data to the OSM - they are using bots to mass-upload data if it is only possible from legal POV, just as we are doing this for Wikipedia :-) - but to find OSM people ready to join another project is as hard as persuade wikipedians to edit other non-Wikimedia projects :-)
Wikipedia geocoordinates cannot (for most part) go into OSM. OSM is under European / UK law, which has database rights.
Wikipedia systematically often gets coordinates from google maps and earth, and is considered a data collection, and not clean in terms of db rights.
Wikipedia operates under US law and no database rights. Geocoordinates are facts and not copyright so we regard it okay to take coordinates from google
I was talking about coords from Wiki Loves Monuments - which are in case of most EU countires taken from official govermental lists of monumens - which are usually PD as govermental documents + data retrieved from WLM contributors; cameras and GPS receiviers.
I think data and cooperation with wikipedia might still be regarded with some skeptism. data directly from government sources with proper , compatible licensing could be okay but then some osm people also frown upon data imports generally and that data imports discourage local mapping communities to form and grow and thrive. (I am personally okay with careful imports by local mappers, but it like inclusionist va deletionist type debate)
What might work is a joint osm mapping / photo excursion or event
And osm data -> wikipedia is okay license-wise, even with osm's looming switch to the open database license.
Katie
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