Thanks Lodewijk for the ideas. I'm not completely at sea on how to do
this manually, though I'm sure 100s of people will come back and tell
me that that system couldn't possibly work well with even 10,000
photos to consider. Well, "not working well" has got to be better than
"not working at all"!
I'm with Katie (below) that we are going to have to have people
self-nominate their photos (or let anybody nominate in an "open
nomination" system). The easiest way I see for the nomination process
is just to tell people to copy the category [[Category:WLM-US 2012 NOM
vote +1]] into the file at Commons. I'll decide on this today.
That will likely reduce the number of photos to be considered by 90%,
say from 100,000 to 10,000. There's also a case for "Administrative
removals" which might reduce the number by another 10%, say down to
9,000. "Administrative removals" would cover the cases where many
near duplicates of the same photo are nominated by the same uploader,
totally washed out or totally dark photos, or photos where they just
take pictures of modern street signs (yes it happens).
This will make it possible to hold off implementing the final voting
system until we get 1,000 nominations, which might be 10 days from
now.
As far as your specific suggestions
*another solution I've heard is setting up a special wiki for this (temporarily)
**Sound ok to me, but I can't do it
*using instant Commons to get all relevant images,
**not sure what instant Commons is
*and using the tools that they used for POTY
**I've only seen the POTY tools work for about 60 photos, not 10,000
Thanks for the feedback, all suggestions appreciated.
Pete
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:06:44 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Automated voting/screening
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Hi,
another solution I've heard is setting up a special wiki for this
(temporarily), using instant Commons to get all relevant images, and using
the tools that they used for POTY.
Does that make any sense at all?
Lodewijk
2012/8/31 aude <aude.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Peter Ekman <pdekman(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nuno,
>>
>> Thanks for the code. It looked promising, but unfortunately I'm not a
>> programmer and the final product never arrived, and I think we'll have
>> to "go manual" at this point.
>>
>> To convert your system to our minimum requirements, we'd have to take
>> your "single person" system and
>> A. Randomly select, 50 or so photos, and have one person rate these, say
>> 1-5.
>> B. Store these results
>> C. give a new screener another 50 or so photos, and store these results,
>> and
>> D. do this so 100,000 photos get rated at least 3 times each, then finally
>> E. Average all the result for each pic.
>>
>
>
> We would need some more time to get this turned into a gadget and the
> toolserver has been a bit slow for the backend part. I am travelling so
> unfortunately can't finish with a gadget by today. :(
>
> Anyway, I am not sure how practical it is to have ratings for 100,000
> photos (each!) x 3 times, so I think we need a simplified process for the
> US.
>
> I was thinking we'd have people nominate photos into another category or
> something. If there was a way to track which batch of photos have been
> looked through for nomination, that would be great, and not sure the best
> way (if any) to do that. Is this a good idea? can someone help set it up?
>
> With a nominated set of photos (not sure how many), then a voting tool
> would be useful, and number of photos manageable.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers,
> Katie
>