On 13 August 2015 at 17:37, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, and it may be possible to have enough social support for netiquette without resorting to written policies and enforcement procedures. I'd like to think that this is true, but given examples about problematic activities like personal attacks, I'm not sure. Is informal social pressure combined with occasional admin or IRC op action enough to deal with those situations, or do we need something more formal?
Well, let's see. "informal social pressure" is the most we have, and we're here having a discussion about something stronger that has involved, so far, multiple anecdotes about the technical community treating people poorly.
So to answer your question: no, it is not enough
Let me reiterate that demanding people who have been hurt by our existing system justify a need to change it, not once, not twice, but over and over with duplicated questions of exactly this form ("I mean, maybe things will work if we don't bother writing it down"), sometimes not just multiple times in a thread but multiple times /from the same person/, is itself a toxic behavioural pattern.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
But as a collaborative project a decent amount of netiquette is definitely needed.
Vito
2015-08-13 23:30 GMT+02:00 rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com:
On Aug 13, 2015 10:16 PM, "Oliver Keyes" okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 13 August 2015 at 16:10, Antoine Musso hashar+wmf@free.fr wrote:
Le 07/08/2015 02:17, Matthew Flaschen a écrit :
We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, Phabricator, Gerrit, technical IRC channels, and Etherpad).
Please participate at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft
.
Suggestions are welcome here or at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Dra...
.
Hello Matt,
It seems the code of conduct is fairly similar to the friendly space policy. Though the later was meant for conferences, it can probably
be
amended to be applied to cyberspace interactions.
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Friendly_space_policy
Do we have any examples of unfriendly behaviour that occurred
recently?
The thread you are replying to contains both examples of unfriendly behaviour in a technical context and discussion over the direct applicability of the friendly spaces policy; reviewing it may be a good idea.
Oliver, I must be a little blind but I do not see examples of unfriendly behaviour in this thread.
In general, Matt, I do experience that the wikimedia movement is criticized having too many rules and policies. Add another one does not help. At the end of the day your target group is code contributors, not policy readers. If somebody does not behave and not contribute, the
person
is easily shut up. If somebody contributes a lot, some diplomacy is required. What you do here is, imho, an example of an organization busy with itself. I won't be angry if you stop this thread and delete the wiki page. Let me add, I really appreciate and find very valuable all the
other
technical contributions and discussions. And Matt, of course I appreciate that you know what you are talking about beeing software and Wikipedia content contributor.
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