--- Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/28/06, Ryan Dabler zhaladshar@gmail.com wrote:
That's not completely accurate. The reason the
stylized logo is the best
that could be done is more related to the fact
that no one who wants to
change the logo has actually completely followed
through in setting up a
method to change it
Datrio made a very nice logo contest page on the multilingual Wikisource:
http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:New_Wikisource_logo&o...
On March 1, ThomasV added a note that "there is no consensus in the community about the need to replace the logo".
http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:New_Wikisource_logo&d...
Then a completely unnecessary vote on the local language editions about the need to replace the logo was started. The logo process has been, to my knowledge, in limbo since.
It's true that Datrio could have done more to defend and enforce the procedures. But ultimately it was pressure from within the community that led to the bureaucratic erosion of what was originally a fairly reasonable and logical logo voting process.
No use crying over spilled milk. But in my opinion, these things should be done on Meta, with the input of the whole Wikimedia community. All Wikimedia users were affected by the iceberg photo (lovely JPEG artifacts, too!) that was used as a placeholder, so all Wikimedia users should have been given a fair chance to participate.
Erik
I believe you misunderstand the situation. A vote that is not adverstised by translated messages amoung all domains is much worse than doing nothing. That is what was stopped. But the ambition to have quick and fast vote in English apparently did not extend to organizing a properly inclusive vote. I am willing to participate is properly organized vote. I do not care so much about changing the logo as to organize one myself. But I would not participate in a vote as Datrio tried to start and the portugese message today is a good example of why. I would not have liked to answer him with "Well learn english and read meta and then you will know about these things". You complain that "Wikimedia users should have been given a fair chance to participate." Please tell me who did participate? I know of no one who was involved the decision. Elian, perhaps, who is more a Wikimedia user the a Wikisource one I think. I am not complaining, the change doesn't bother me and anyone who is bothered by it is welcome to organize another change. I just mean to point out that the idea of an exclusion of Wikimedia users from the recent logo change is without foundation.
Birgitte SB
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