robchurch@svn.wikimedia.org schrieb:
Revision: 25394 Author: robchurch Date: 2007-09-01 17:57:55 +0000 (Sat, 01 Sep 2007)
Log Message:
Revert r25349 and offspring; the watchlist editor shows titles, not users - a contributions link is not appropriate here, nor is it useful
Sorry, I disagree with this revert. A link to the user contributions is very helpful for all users who have a lot of user pages on its watchlists (Wikipedians who welcome newbies or follow up users with copyvios etc.).
To reduce the watchlist from older user pages it's helpful to edit the watchlist in normal mode, see the contributions to decide if the user page can be de-watchlisted.
The addition of this link was a request of the German OTRS team who handles a lot of copyvios.
Hopefully I could have explained the reasons and ask for re-revert :-) Thanks.
Raymond.
On 02/09/07, Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com wrote:
robchurch@svn.wikimedia.org schrieb:
Revision: 25394 Author: robchurch Date: 2007-09-01 17:57:55 +0000 (Sat, 01 Sep 2007)
Log Message:
Revert r25349 and offspring; the watchlist editor shows titles, not users - a contributions link is not appropriate here, nor is it useful
Sorry, I disagree with this revert. A link to the user contributions is very helpful for all users who have a lot of user pages on its watchlists (Wikipedians who welcome newbies or follow up users with copyvios etc.).
I wouldn't have reverted had the link appeared on any page dealing with the user in the context of a user, but the watchlist editor is explicitly referring to the page, not the user. Ergo, it seems completely inappropriate to me to arbitrarily change the semantics of the context in which the title is being displayed for a single namespace.
Rob Church
I wouldn't have reverted had the link appeared on any page dealing with the user in the context of a user, but the watchlist editor is explicitly referring to the page, not the user. Ergo, it seems completely inappropriate to me to arbitrarily change the semantics of the context in which the title is being displayed for a single namespace.
There is no need for the watchlist to just be a list of pages. It could include anything watchable, including users.
On 02/09/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
There is no need for the watchlist to just be a list of pages. It could include anything watchable, including users.
However, at the moment, you don't "watch" users, you watch pages. Users aren't watchable, so this argument doesn't hold any water.
Rob Church
On 02/09/07, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/09/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
There is no need for the watchlist to just be a list of pages. It could include anything watchable, including users.
However, at the moment, you don't "watch" users, you watch pages. Users aren't watchable, so this argument doesn't hold any water.
I said you *could* include anything watchable. I know we don't at the moment, but that doesn't mean we can't. Really, it's just a matter of changing "Watch this page" to "Watch this user" when the page in question is in the User: namespace. There is a one-to-one correspondence between users (or IPs) and pages in the User: namespace (give or take, anyway), so it's really just a matter of presentation.
On 02/09/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I said you *could* include anything watchable. I know we don't at the moment, but that doesn't mean we can't. Really, it's just a matter of changing "Watch this page" to "Watch this user" when the page in question is in the User: namespace. There is a one-to-one correspondence between users (or IPs) and pages in the User: namespace (give or take, anyway), so it's really just a matter of presentation.
Well, that would cover the interface side of things, but "watch this user" implies that you'll be notified of any change that user makes, which would be handy for mentoring new users, etc. This is not necessarily trivial.
Rob Church
Well, that would cover the interface side of things, but "watch this user" implies that you'll be notified of any change that user makes, which would be handy for mentoring new users, etc. This is not necessarily trivial.
Well, yes, truly watching a user would take a little more work. It might be worth doing, though.
On 9/2/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Well, yes, truly watching a user would take a little more work. It might be worth doing, though.
I actually did this some time ago with JavaScript, on commons:User:Bryan/Scripts/ExtendedWatchlist. It broke though when the watchlist api code was disabled and I haven't looked at it since then. Might be of interest.
Bryan
I think this would be a nice feature for those of us using MW as a teaching tool, especially if one of the assignments involves turning the students loose on an active public wiki, as I plan to do later in the semester. The public wikis are mine, so you guys can all exhale.
Jim
On Sep 2, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bryan Tong Minh wrote:
On 9/2/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Well, yes, truly watching a user would take a little more work. It might be worth doing, though.
I actually did this some time ago with JavaScript, on commons:User:Bryan/Scripts/ExtendedWatchlist. It broke though when the watchlist api code was disabled and I haven't looked at it since then. Might be of interest.
Bryan
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Rob Church wrote:
On 02/09/07, Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com wrote:
robchurch@svn.wikimedia.org schrieb:
Revision: 25394 Author: robchurch Date: 2007-09-01 17:57:55 +0000 (Sat, 01 Sep 2007)
Log Message:
Revert r25349 and offspring; the watchlist editor shows titles, not users - a contributions link is not appropriate here, nor is it useful
Sorry, I disagree with this revert. A link to the user contributions is very helpful for all users who have a lot of user pages on its watchlists (Wikipedians who welcome newbies or follow up users with copyvios etc.).
I wouldn't have reverted had the link appeared on any page dealing with the user in the context of a user, but the watchlist editor is explicitly referring to the page, not the user. Ergo, it seems completely inappropriate to me to arbitrarily change the semantics of the context in which the title is being displayed for a single namespace.
I don't really see a problem here; User: and Image: and such namespaces _are_ functionally different, which is why we often treat them a little bit differently.
It seems kind of handy to me for the tool links to include the contribs link here, and it doesn't feel out of place.
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