The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
Most of the relevant details are in the document itself, but feel free to reach out to myself or the list should anyone have any questions.
Please, feel free to forward this link far and wide - have colleagues, contacts or friends in the data-centre sector? Then please, forward it on! :)
Thanks!
--Ken.
[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/2013_Datacenter
Hi, would you be open to a data center outside the US in future, and if no, why not?
Rupert Am 18.10.2013 22:05 schrieb "Ken Snider" ksnider@wikimedia.org:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
Most of the relevant details are in the document itself, but feel free to reach out to myself or the list should anyone have any questions.
Please, feel free to forward this link far and wide - have colleagues, contacts or friends in the data-centre sector? Then please, forward it on! :)
Thanks!
--Ken.
[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/2013_Datacenter
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Hi Rupert,
We'd be open to any jurisdiction that provides an appropriate legal foundation for our operations, as well as meeting our technical and topographic needs. However for this specific proposal, we're looking for a US-centric location that can serve as a backup should our Ashburn location fail, among other uses.
Thanks.
--Ken.
On Oct 18, 2013, at 4:27 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, would you be open to a data center outside the US in future, and if no, why not?
Rupert Am 18.10.2013 22:05 schrieb "Ken Snider" ksnider@wikimedia.org:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
Most of the relevant details are in the document itself, but feel free to reach out to myself or the list should anyone have any questions.
Please, feel free to forward this link far and wide - have colleagues, contacts or friends in the data-centre sector? Then please, forward it on! :)
Thanks!
--Ken.
[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/2013_Datacenter
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Hi Ken,
Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
You have stated some technical requirements, but not the availability you would like to have. You probably want to include that you're looking for a tier-4 data center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_4_data_center#Data_center_tiers). Is this one going to replace the Florida data center? Where are you keeping documentation these days? The information on wikitech seems to be very incomplete and outdated.
Something related: While travelling in China I noticed the bad performance of our sites. Would it be a good idea to investigate this (lack of) performance and maybe consider a caching site somewhere in Asia? The latency should be much better than getting is all the way from the USA. http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/GLIF_5-11_World_4k.jpg (from http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/) gives a good idea of connectivity by the way.
Maarten
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Ken,
Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
You have stated some technical requirements, but not the availability you would like to have. You probably want to include that you're looking for a tier-4 data center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_4_data_center#Data_center_tiers). Is this one going to replace the Florida data center? Where are you keeping documentation these days? The information on wikitech seems to be very incomplete and outdated.
Wikitech is our best source of documentation....
Something related: While travelling in China I noticed the bad performance of our sites. Would it be a good idea to investigate this (lack of) performance and maybe consider a caching site somewhere in Asia? The latency should be much better than getting is all the way from the USA. http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/GLIF_5-11_World_4k.jpg (from http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/) gives a good idea of connectivity by the way.
(Employee hat) - we are starting to move some of the Asian traffic to a new caching center on the US west coast, which has helped latency. (Personal hat) - I would love to get an Asian caching center (Hong Kong or Tokyo would be my top 2 choices), but IMHO the biggest barrier to this the time and availability of people resources.
Maarten
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Hoi, Are some of our partners in Wikipedia Zero not caching already ? Thanks, GerardM
On 19 October 2013 12:59, Leslie Carr lcarr@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Ken,
Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking
proposals
on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting
the
requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
You have stated some technical requirements, but not the availability you would like to have. You probably want to include that you're looking for
a
tier-4 data center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_4_data_center#Data_center_tiers). Is this one going to replace the Florida data center? Where are you keeping documentation these days? The information on wikitech seems to be very incomplete and outdated.
Wikitech is our best source of documentation....
Something related: While travelling in China I noticed the bad
performance
of our sites. Would it be a good idea to investigate this (lack of) performance and maybe consider a caching site somewhere in Asia? The
latency
should be much better than getting is all the way from the USA. http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/GLIF_5-11_World_4k.jpg (from http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/) gives a good idea of
connectivity by
the way.
(Employee hat) - we are starting to move some of the Asian traffic to a new caching center on the US west coast, which has helped latency. (Personal hat) - I would love to get an Asian caching center (Hong Kong or Tokyo would be my top 2 choices), but IMHO the biggest barrier to this the time and availability of people resources.
Maarten
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On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Are some of our partners in Wikipedia Zero not caching already ? Thanks, GerardM
Are you asking if they have varnish caches (they do not) or if they are using some web caching on their environment (which is possible, using transparent proxies , though I do not know of providers who use them... however my mobile web ecosystem knowledge is limited)
On 19 October 2013 12:59, Leslie Carr lcarr@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Ken,
Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking
proposals
on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting
the
requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
You have stated some technical requirements, but not the availability you would like to have. You probably want to include that you're looking for
a
tier-4 data center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_4_data_center#Data_center_tiers). Is this one going to replace the Florida data center? Where are you keeping documentation these days? The information on wikitech seems to be very incomplete and outdated.
Wikitech is our best source of documentation....
Something related: While travelling in China I noticed the bad
performance
of our sites. Would it be a good idea to investigate this (lack of) performance and maybe consider a caching site somewhere in Asia? The
latency
should be much better than getting is all the way from the USA. http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/GLIF_5-11_World_4k.jpg (from http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/) gives a good idea of
connectivity by
the way.
(Employee hat) - we are starting to move some of the Asian traffic to a new caching center on the US west coast, which has helped latency. (Personal hat) - I would love to get an Asian caching center (Hong Kong or Tokyo would be my top 2 choices), but IMHO the biggest barrier to this the time and availability of people resources.
Maarten
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Hoi,
I am not so much interested in what they use. What I would like to suggest is that we have partners in both Africa and Asia. They are likely to have the expertise to run a caching centre on our behalf. They provide us a service in bringing Wikipedia at no cost to their customers. When we pay them to run a non-discriminatory caching service, it would increase our service and maybe even the cost of transatlantic traffic. Thanks, GerardM
On 19 October 2013 13:25, Leslie Carr lcarr@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Are some of our partners in Wikipedia Zero not caching already ? Thanks, GerardM
Are you asking if they have varnish caches (they do not) or if they are using some web caching on their environment (which is possible, using transparent proxies , though I do not know of providers who use them... however my mobile web ecosystem knowledge is limited)
On 19 October 2013 12:59, Leslie Carr lcarr@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Ken,
Op 18-10-2013 22:05, Ken Snider schreef:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking
proposals
on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public
RFP
posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting
the
requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
You have stated some technical requirements, but not the availability
you
would like to have. You probably want to include that you're looking
for
a
tier-4 data center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_4_data_center#Data_center_tiers).
Is
this one going to replace the Florida data center? Where are you
keeping
documentation these days? The information on wikitech seems to be very incomplete and outdated.
Wikitech is our best source of documentation....
Something related: While travelling in China I noticed the bad
performance
of our sites. Would it be a good idea to investigate this (lack of) performance and maybe consider a caching site somewhere in Asia? The
latency
should be much better than getting is all the way from the USA. http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/GLIF_5-11_World_4k.jpg (from http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/) gives a good idea of
connectivity by
the way.
(Employee hat) - we are starting to move some of the Asian traffic to a new caching center on the US west coast, which has helped latency. (Personal hat) - I would love to get an Asian caching center (Hong Kong or Tokyo would be my top 2 choices), but IMHO the biggest barrier to this the time and availability of people resources.
Maarten
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On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
I am not so much interested in what they use. What I would like to suggest is that we have partners in both Africa and Asia. They are likely to have the expertise to run a caching centre on our behalf. They provide us a service in bringing Wikipedia at no cost to their customers. When we pay them to run a non-discriminatory caching service, it would increase our service and maybe even the cost of transatlantic traffic. Thanks, GerardM
Running a mobile network is completely different operation from running a CDN.
Before it is send to a mobile phone, the data has to be retrieved in the classic way. Do you really think that the companies who run mobile network do not have the expertise to keep a bunch of caching servers in the air ? When you do, do you think that all these mobile operators do not have that skill? Do you think they do not have capacity at the key locations of the Internet infrastructure? Thanks, GerardM
On 19 October 2013 13:44, Leslie Carr lcarr@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
I am not so much interested in what they use. What I would like to
suggest
is that we have partners in both Africa and Asia. They are likely to have the expertise to run a caching centre on our behalf. They provide us a service in bringing Wikipedia at no cost to their customers. When we pay them to run a non-discriminatory caching service, it would increase our service and maybe even the cost of transatlantic traffic. Thanks, GerardM
Running a mobile network is completely different operation from running a CDN.
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On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Before it is send to a mobile phone, the data has to be retrieved in the classic way.
As an engineer I do know how the internet works ;)
Do you really think that the companies who run mobile network
do not have the expertise to keep a bunch of caching servers in the air ? When you do, do you think that all these mobile operators do not have that skill? Do you think they do not have capacity at the key locations of the Internet infrastructure?
That is exactly what I think.
Thanks, GerardM
On 19 October 2013 13:44, Leslie Carr lcarr@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
I am not so much interested in what they use. What I would like to
suggest
is that we have partners in both Africa and Asia. They are likely to have the expertise to run a caching centre on our behalf. They provide us a service in bringing Wikipedia at no cost to their customers. When we pay them to run a non-discriminatory caching service, it would increase our service and maybe even the cost of transatlantic traffic. Thanks, GerardM
Running a mobile network is completely different operation from running a CDN.
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Op 19-10-2013 12:59, Leslie Carr schreef:
Wikitech is our best source of documentation....
Ouch, time for a little documentation sprint?
Something related: While travelling in China I noticed the bad performance of our sites. Would it be a good idea to investigate this (lack of) performance and maybe consider a caching site somewhere in Asia? The latency should be much better than getting is all the way from the USA. http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/GLIF_5-11_World_4k.jpg (from http://www.glif.is/publications/maps/) gives a good idea of connectivity by the way.
(Employee hat) - we are starting to move some of the Asian traffic to a new caching center on the US west coast, which has helped latency.
I guess that's the one in San Francisco? That's already a lot closer than US east coast, but would it be enough?
(Personal hat) - I would love to get an Asian caching center (Hong Kong or Tokyo would be my top 2 choices), but IMHO the biggest barrier to this the time and availability of people resources.
I agree. Would be nice to connect to http://www.ams-ix.hk/ too :-) This is in the strategic plan: "Deploy additional caching centers in key locations to serve growing audiences in Asia, Latin America, and the Middle East." [1] so allocating resources to this should be a valid choice.
Maarten
[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Movement_Strategic_Plan_Summar...
On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:17 AM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
You probably want to include that you're looking for a tier-4 data center
This is more marketing-foo than realistic. I have had longer-than-expected-max outages in every datacenter I've had systems in save one (which is luck, not extra robustness). Every time I site survey a "tier 4" I can find vulnerabilities.
-george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
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Ken Snider wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
Most of the relevant details are in the document itself, but feel free to reach out to myself or the list should anyone have any questions.
Hi.
I'm pretty confused how this RFP relates to the "ulsfo" datacenter. As far as I know, "ulsfo" is not being proposed, it's already been approved. Is this RFP intended for an additional new datacenter somewhere in the U.S.?
I looked at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers#Hosting to try to gain clarity.
MZMcBride
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Ken Snider wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
Most of the relevant details are in the document itself, but feel free to reach out to myself or the list should anyone have any questions.
Hi.
I'm pretty confused how this RFP relates to the "ulsfo" datacenter. As far as I know, "ulsfo" is not being proposed, it's already been approved. Is this RFP intended for an additional new datacenter somewhere in the U.S.?
I looked at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers#Hosting to try to gain clarity.
ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines)
MZMcBride
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Leslie Carr wrote:
ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines)
Thank you for clarifying a bit. That helps.
Is this new datacenter intended to be more like eqiad, then?
And (echoing Maarten's question) will this new datacenter replace pmtpa?
I'm just trying to wrap my head around this at a very high level. :-)
MZMcBride
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Leslie Carr wrote:
ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines)
Thank you for clarifying a bit. That helps.
Is this new datacenter intended to be more like eqiad, then?
And (echoing Maarten's question) will this new datacenter replace pmtpa?
Yes to both!
I'm just trying to wrap my head around this at a very high level. :-)
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Leslie Carr wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Leslie Carr wrote:
ulsfo is a caching center (varnish + LVS servers, but no backend infrastructure and very few machines)
Thank you for clarifying a bit. That helps.
Is this new datacenter intended to be more like eqiad, then?
And (echoing Maarten's question) will this new datacenter replace pmtpa?
Yes to both!
Awesome. Thanks again for your responses to questions here. They've been incredibly helpful. :-)
I added links to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_servers so that we can hopefully get that page updated one day.
MZMcBride
On Oct 21, 2013, at 8:03 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I added links to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_servers so that we can hopefully get that page updated one day.
Thanks - definitely something to tackle once we complete the Tampa migration and new DC buildout. Transparency and a well documented network infrastructure are high on my personal priority list. :)
--Ken.
I may just be spouting nonsense, but I've heard a few separate people mention to me that Iceland is an increasingly attractive place for hosting, as they're in the Schengen area (making it easy to get to) but *not* in the European Union (so not subject to EU laws on hosting data), it's got a lot of green energy, and cooling is cheaper because it's cold there.
If this is actually just hyperbole, I'd appreciate if someone told me why that is so, so that I can tell my friends why they're wrong! :-)
Dan
On 18 October 2013 21:05, Ken Snider ksnider@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
Most of the relevant details are in the document itself, but feel free to reach out to myself or the list should anyone have any questions.
Please, feel free to forward this link far and wide - have colleagues, contacts or friends in the data-centre sector? Then please, forward it on! :)
Thanks!
--Ken.
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Iceland is cool (in just about every sense of the word!), but I'm not sure it does a lot of good for our users in the most difficult-to-serve areas: Asia, Africa, South America. (Notice the parallels with the "global south" areas.) It might be helpful for the Middle East.
I think it is easy to forget how well-serviced we are in North America and Europe; however, being in Hong Kong this year reinforced to me that even very good service there is not much better than "Western" dial-up. That becomes increasingly challenging as we add more and more "mandatory" javascript to every page that is opened.
Risker
On 21 October 2013 08:32, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
I may just be spouting nonsense, but I've heard a few separate people mention to me that Iceland is an increasingly attractive place for hosting, as they're in the Schengen area (making it easy to get to) but *not* in the European Union (so not subject to EU laws on hosting data), it's got a lot of green energy, and cooling is cheaper because it's cold there.
If this is actually just hyperbole, I'd appreciate if someone told me why that is so, so that I can tell my friends why they're wrong! :-)
Dan
On 18 October 2013 21:05, Ken Snider ksnider@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Operations team is seeking proposals on the provisioning of a new data-centre facility.
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
Most of the relevant details are in the document itself, but feel free to reach out to myself or the list should anyone have any questions.
Please, feel free to forward this link far and wide - have colleagues, contacts or friends in the data-centre sector? Then please, forward it
on!
:)
Thanks!
--Ken.
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On Oct 21, 2013 8:32 AM, "Dan Garry" dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
I may just be spouting nonsense, but I've heard a few separate people mention to me that Iceland is an increasingly attractive place for
hosting,
as they're in the Schengen area (making it easy to get to) but *not* in
the
European Union (so not subject to EU laws on hosting data), it's got a lot of green energy, and cooling is cheaper because it's cold there.
And how is the copyright situation? is there a counterpart to fair use (and is it as broad as in US?) or CDA 230?
Anyway, Iceland irrelevant for this particular RFP (AIUI) but maybe it would be considered in a future req.
-Jeremy
This thread is getting off topic. As stated before: The RFC is for a datacenter in the United States.
Can we please fork this thread for discussing: * What different copyright related implications datacenters in countries other than the United States have * What the consequences are for latency of datacenters that are not on the US west coast for certain countries, continents or areas
Thanks.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com wrote:
On Oct 21, 2013 8:32 AM, "Dan Garry" dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
I may just be spouting nonsense, but I've heard a few separate people mention to me that Iceland is an increasingly attractive place for
hosting,
as they're in the Schengen area (making it easy to get to) but *not* in
the
European Union (so not subject to EU laws on hosting data), it's got a
lot
of green energy, and cooling is cheaper because it's cold there.
And how is the copyright situation? is there a counterpart to fair use (and is it as broad as in US?) or CDA 230?
Anyway, Iceland irrelevant for this particular RFP (AIUI) but maybe it would be considered in a future req.
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From: "Ken Snider" ksnider@wikimedia.org
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
My snap reaction, Ken, is that the RFP seems fairly thin on relevant details; how many passes did it go through before you posted it? How much input came from the Ashburn project? Equinix Tampa?
Or was it left loose on purpose, to see what people would come up with?
Cheers, -- jra
I'm curious which details you would like to see?
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Snider" ksnider@wikimedia.org
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
My snap reaction, Ken, is that the RFP seems fairly thin on relevant details; how many passes did it go through before you posted it? How much input came from the Ashburn project? Equinix Tampa?
Or was it left loose on purpose, to see what people would come up with?
Cheers,
-- jra
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Well, perhaps I'm unfairly comparing the RFP's density to that of the last two colo contracts I saw, but I'm not sure I have a copy of those; I will take a look, and abide until them.
Cheers, -- jra
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From: "Leslie Carr" lcarr@wikimedia.org To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:52:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions I'm curious which details you would like to see?
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
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From: "Ken Snider" ksnider@wikimedia.org
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
My snap reaction, Ken, is that the RFP seems fairly thin on relevant details; how many passes did it go through before you posted it? How much input came from the Ashburn project? Equinix Tampa?
Or was it left loose on purpose, to see what people would come up with?
Cheers,
-- jra
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
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This is the RFP, not contract.
It's industry typical for information needed to decide if followup and then site visit are called for, for particular potential vendors.
-george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
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On Oct 21, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
Well, perhaps I'm unfairly comparing the RFP's density to that of the last two colo contracts I saw, but I'm not sure I have a copy of those; I will take a look, and abide until them.
Cheers, -- jra
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From: "Leslie Carr" lcarr@wikimedia.org To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:52:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions I'm curious which details you would like to see?
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Snider" ksnider@wikimedia.org
After working through the specifics internally, we now have a public RFP posted[1] and ready for proposals. We invite any organization meeting the requirements outlined to submit a proposal for review.
My snap reaction, Ken, is that the RFP seems fairly thin on relevant details; how many passes did it go through before you posted it? How much input came from the Ashburn project? Equinix Tampa?
Or was it left loose on purpose, to see what people would come up with?
Cheers,
-- jra
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
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-- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
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On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Jay Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
Well, perhaps I'm unfairly comparing the RFP's density to that of the last two colo contracts I saw, but I'm not sure I have a copy of those; I will take a look, and abide until them.
Jay, the idea here is to drum up bids from parties that meet the minimum criteria set in the RFP itself, as opposed to laying out the specifics for the agreement itself. That's a longer process involving the team and legal, once we choose a partner. :)
Thanks.
--Ken.
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