Dear all, As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114%C2%A0on requestion for adding LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action? HW
2011/5/29 HW waihorace@yahoo.com.hk
Dear all,
As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114%C2%A0on requestion for adding LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
I also asked to enable LiquidThreads on the Hebrew Wikinews [1] and it was closed as RESOLVED LATER, with the explanation "LQT isn't going to be deployed anywhere new atm".
I think that that's a shame, because if there are people who are willing to "sacrifice" their projects for testing LQT, this should be allowed. I can't think of anything terribly destructive that LQT can do to a project, even in its current buggy and rapidly changing form.
[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27937
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
LiquidThreads is still undergoing a major rewrite. It will be enabled once it has been finished.
Regards,Hydrizhttp://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hydriz
From: amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:35:58 +0300 To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] About LQT - on hold?
2011/5/29 HW waihorace@yahoo.com.hk
Dear all,
As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for adding LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
I also asked to enable LiquidThreads on the Hebrew Wikinews [1] and it was closed as RESOLVED LATER, with the explanation "LQT isn't going to be deployed anywhere new atm".
I think that that's a shame, because if there are people who are willing to "sacrifice" their projects for testing LQT, this should be allowed. I can't think of anything terribly destructive that LQT can do to a project, even in its current buggy and rapidly changing form.
[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27937
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
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On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2011/5/29 HW waihorace@yahoo.com.hk
Dear all,
As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114%C2%A0on requestion for adding LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
I also asked to enable LiquidThreads on the Hebrew Wikinews [1] and it was closed as RESOLVED LATER, with the explanation "LQT isn't going to be deployed anywhere new atm".
Let me clarify what's going on here.
In February, I made the decision, along with Alolita, to implement a new backend for LiquidThreads. This decision was made because the original backend had a number of intractable problems that were causing bugs across Wikimedia projects. You can see the document I wrote about the backend updates for further information [1].
At that time, the issue of existing and further LiquidThreads deployments was raised. The decision that I made, in consultation with the remainder of the technical staff was that, while I would attempt to resolve serious bugs with LiquidThreads, we would not be deploying LiquidThreads to any further wikis before the backend updates were complete. This decision was made so that the time I spend working on LiquidThreads is focussed on moving the redesign forward.
As has been stated in this thread, there's little point testing code that's in the process of being rewritten.
Currently, the schedule calls for staged deployments of the rewrite between early July and Wikimania [2]. There's been some slippage on the schedule, but there's also a substantial amount of slack in June, and I think Wikimania would be a reasonable timeframe to expect a test deployment on a number of small projects, of which some will necessarily be in right to left languages.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
—Andrew
[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/WMF_project_informatio... [2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/WMF_project_informatio...
-- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarrett@wikimedia.org
HW wrote:
As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114%C2%A0on requestion for adding LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/Status
MZMcBride
2011/5/29 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:
HW wrote:
As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114%C2%A0on requestion for adding LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/Status
Thank you for the link.
This page says in the end: "Production deployment of LiquidThreads with its improved backend to all Wikimedia wikis using LiquidThreads. Timeline: Before Wikimania, August 2."
Putting Wikimania as a target date is very nice, because Wikimania and the hackathon that preceeds it will happen in a country that speaks Hebrew and Arabic - right-to-left languages. If the new LQT will be deployed before Wikimania only to wikis that use LQT now, this means that until Wikimania, LQT will not be tested by right-to-left language users on right-to-left language wikis.
And so this will become a missed opportunity. If a development version of LQT will be tested on an RTL wiki before Wikimania, the RTL bugs will be already known before the beginning of the hackathon and would be easily fixed during it with the help of Israeli developers that will be present in Haifa. If it won't be tested before Wikimania, fixing these RTL bugs will be much, much harder.
And so i repeat my request: Please install LQT on the Hebrew Wikinews and on other wikis whose users offer their help in testing.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
There won't be anything to test until the rewrite is done since it's still undergoing major changes. There's no point in deploying code and testing for it if that code will change drastically in a few months.
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
2011/5/29 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:
HW wrote:
As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for
adding
LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a
large
amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon
as
possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/Status
Thank you for the link.
This page says in the end: "Production deployment of LiquidThreads with its improved backend to all Wikimedia wikis using LiquidThreads. Timeline: Before Wikimania, August 2."
Putting Wikimania as a target date is very nice, because Wikimania and the hackathon that preceeds it will happen in a country that speaks Hebrew and Arabic - right-to-left languages. If the new LQT will be deployed before Wikimania only to wikis that use LQT now, this means that until Wikimania, LQT will not be tested by right-to-left language users on right-to-left language wikis.
And so this will become a missed opportunity. If a development version of LQT will be tested on an RTL wiki before Wikimania, the RTL bugs will be already known before the beginning of the hackathon and would be easily fixed during it with the help of Israeli developers that will be present in Haifa. If it won't be tested before Wikimania, fixing these RTL bugs will be much, much harder.
And so i repeat my request: Please install LQT on the Hebrew Wikinews and on other wikis whose users offer their help in testing.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
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