On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 11:14:24PM +0100, Paul Ebermann wrote:

"Nick Reinking" skribis:

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Okay, how about now? Any comments would be appreciated.

Original: http:///www.twoevils.org/files/wiki/Rabbit.html Minimal: http:///www.twoevils.org/files/wiki/Rabbit-minimal.html

Note that I think the footer (on all the pages) should be changed from 'It was last modified...' to '(Article title) was last modified...'; but that isn't part of my skin. :)

Did you try to look at this with less than 700 pixel width (with Opera and my font size, other may need another number), so that the buttons (and part of the text) in the upper bar wrap around? They dissapear here ...

I don't know wether (or how) one could make the height of the upper bar flexible ...

Hate to keep sending out so many emails, but trying to get this to work for as many people as possible. Does anybody know how to make regular hyperlinks (rather than buttons) do submits (without Javascript)?

On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 05:34:57PM -0800, Brion Vibber wrote:

On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 16:25, Nick Reinking wrote:

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How about a compromise? No drop-down menu, but how about letting users select which languages they would like to see? I would be more than happy to ignore the entire world, except for Japanese and the Queen's Eng.... err, English.

That wouldn't help the common case: people using the default options, who have never logged in, or who are not aware that languages they are (or will become) interested in are available.

I'm not proposing this theme replacing the common case. This theme is for those who are ipso facto, not using the default themes. If somebody wants a minimal theme, they will probably also want to pare down the number of languages that are displayed. Maybe we should call these theme 'Veteran' instead? ;)

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Some of the other links should be moved elsewhere. Upload image could be on the 'Special:Specialpages' page. Same with Bug reports, and current events.

Upload needs to be better accessible from edit mode, but is less important when viewing. 'Bug reports' must be prominently available from any page, or we'll never get any. ;) 'Current events' IMHO is useless, but maybe other people find it interesting. No reason to put it in special pages, as it's not a special page...

Good point, current events is already well represented on the main page. We should put 'Rabbit' in its stead. ;) In any case, I don't have an overflow rule on the quickbar. If it gets too long, it should get a scrollbar, but it should still be fixed to the left.

On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 16:40, Nick Reinking wrote:

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Hate to keep sending out so many emails, but trying to get this to work for as many people as possible. Does anybody know how to make regular hyperlinks (rather than buttons) do submits (without Javascript)?

I'm not aware of such a mechanism, and would consider it a gross violation of user interface standards if there is one. Next step is "how do I make my application installer enhance Explorer/Finder/Nautilus so clicking on a regular file deletes it without warning?" ;)

I'm sure somebody has written an extension for that already. ;) I'm just trying to determine the height of the element. ems are great when you are using text, but not so good where there are so many damned buttons.

Nick Reinking wrote:

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Okay, how about now? Any comments would be appreciated.

Original: http:///www.twoevils.org/files/wiki/Rabbit.html Minimal: http:///www.twoevils.org/files/wiki/Rabbit-minimal.html

I do find the general look a bit refreshing. I've been wandering around Ward's original Wiki, and it's... while perhaps rather Spartan, also quite comfortable. We have too much clutter in our interface. Refactor away!

On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 14:30, tarquin wrote:

Put a title on the list of language links, like "Other languages:" or "This page in other languages". It's great to see that list of lang links vertical instead of horizontal!!!! :-D

That's actually going to be problematic, as the floating sidebar can't be scrolled vertically and the limited vertical space will be quickly used up, particularly on smaller screens. Some of our general topics already have a dozen or more language links, and this sample sidebar doesn't include actions for logged-in users (move, upload, watch) or admin tasks (protect, delete).

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 15:01, Kurt Jansson wrote:

Brion Vibber schrieb:

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On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 14:30, tarquin wrote:

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It's great to see that list of lang links vertical instead of horizontal!!!! :-D

That's actually going to be problematic, as the floating sidebar can't be scrolled vertically and the limited vertical space will be quickly used up, particularly on smaller screens.

How about a drop down box?

I believe I've already answered that on wikipedia-l:

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 12:15, Brion Vibber wrote:

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Jay Bowks wrote:

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How about a drop down list box, such as the one on the TEJO site? That would be very economical as to space and give plenty of options to choose from.

I'm generally leery of drop-down boxes as they don't show the available options until you've gone to the trouble of asking what's available. And if the available options are different for each page, that's going to spell trouble. People will check a few times, then stop looking once they've found that their language never comes up.

Wiki is about serendipidous discovery; part of that is seeing that a link to Chinese or Polish or Esperanto or Volapuk or Latin or French is available without having thought to seek it out.

However, it's a direction worth looking into.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:30:43PM +0000, tarquin wrote:

Nick Reinking wrote:

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Okay, how about now? Any comments would be appreciated.

Original: http:///www.twoevils.org/files/wiki/Rabbit.html Minimal: http:///www.twoevils.org/files/wiki/Rabbit-minimal.html

Note that I think the footer (on all the pages) should be changed from 'It was last modified...' to '(Article title) was last modified...'; but that isn't part of my skin. :)

Looking good :)

Personally I would prefer it if we stuck to the current background colour schemes -- maybe not brilliant white but lighter than the grey you have there (makes me think of Meta and its endless pages of SPARCATUS !!!! ;-)

Can you make the dividing lines touch each other? Again, my personal taste, feel free to disagree. I would say soften them a bit -- lighter grey, or grey with a hint of colour (blue?)

Put a title on the list of language links, like "Other languages:" or "This page in other languages". It's great to see that list of lang links vertical instead of horizontal!!!! :-D

mind if I have a tinker with it?

Go ahead and tinker with it. It won't hurt my feelings. :) I stayed with the non-touching lines (despite it being a pain in the ass) because that is what you see on the default theme at Wikipedia. :) I think it looks cool, anyways. I have changed the colour to the midpoint of meta and Wikipedia (#EEEEEE).

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Thanks for adding a picture, for the Nick link only displayed "server cannot be found for me"

That looks good. I don't like too much to bottom vertical bar though.

Still, most of this article belongs to the [[cuniculture]] article, not to the rabbit one :-)

--- tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com wrote:

Nick Reinking wrote:

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Go ahead and tinker with it. It won't hurt my

feelings. :) I stayed

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with the non-touching lines (despite it being a

pain in the ass) because

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that is what you see on the default theme at

Wikipedia. :) I think it

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looks cool, anyways. I have changed the colour to

the midpoint of meta

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and Wikipedia (#EEEEEE).

I've softened the look a bit - blocks of colour instead of lines & I've changed the DTD so Mozilla goes into standards mode rather than Quirks.

I've switched to ems -- try scaling the fonts up now :-) the top bar and the side bar both grow to fit

I've used part of the hack here: http://devnull.tagsoup.com/fixed/

to make it work in IE-6 -- the quickbar is no longer fixed, but the page is readable :-)

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RabbitScientific classificationKingdom:AnimaliaPhylum:ChordataClass:MammaliaOrder:LagomorphaFamily:Leporidae Appearance Rabbits are small mammals, and come in a wide variety of colors and sizes. They can range in weight from approximately six to 28 pounds, and from 12 inches to several feet in length. Although wild rabbits tend to be agouti in color, rabbits have as much color variation among themselves as other household pets. Their fur is prized for its softness, and even today Angora rabbits are raised for their long soft fur, which is often spun into yarn. Rabbits have sharp incisors similar to those of rodents, long ears, large hind legs, and short fluffy tails. Rabbits move by hopping, using their long and powerful hind legs. To facilitate quick movement, rabbit hind feet have a thick padding of fur to dampen the shock of rapid hopping. Their toes are long, and are webbed to keep themselves from spreading apart as they jump. Diet The typical diet for a pet rabbit should consist of water, hay, pellets, fresh vegetables, and cecal pellets. Anything else, including fruit and other treats should be given only in very limited quantities, as it may cause obesity in your rabbit. Pellets should be less than a couple months old to insure freshness, and should consist of a minimum of 18% fiber, low protein (14-15%), and less than 1% calcium. Depending on the amount of vegetables available, an adult rabbit should be given between 1/4 and 1/2 cup of pellets per 6 pounds body weight daily. Pre-adolescent and adolescent rabbits (7 months and younger) can be given as much pellets as they can consume, although additional vegetables are preferable to additional pellets. An older rabbit (over six years) can be given more pellets if they are having difficulty maintaining a steady body weight. Pellets were originally designed for rabbit breeders for the purpose of providing as many calories and vitamins as inexpensively as possible. This is optimal when the rabbits are being bred for food or for experimentation, but the long-term effects of a pellet-based diet on rabbits are quite negative, resulting in an obese, unhappy, and unhealthy rabbit. Vegetables are essential to the health of rabbits. At least two cups of three different vegetables per 6 lbs. of body weight should be fed to your rabbit daily. A wide variety of vegetables will result in the healthiest rabbit; preferably a combination of dark green vegetables and a root vegetables. Stay away from beans or rhubarb, as they can cause your rabbit to become sick. Additionally, it is wise to select vegetables that are high in Vitamin A. To ensure that your rabbit can tolerate a specific vegetable, add one vegetable at a time to its diet. If the rabbit starts to act lethargic, or exhibit diarrhea or loose stools, then discontinue use of the new vegetable immediately. Below is a table of vegetables considered healthy for a rabbit: Alfalfa, radish & clover sprouts Artichoke (Jerusalem) Arugula Basil Beet greens (tops)† Bok choy Broccoli (mostly leaves/stems)† Brussel sprouts Caraway Carrots & carrot tops† Celery Chard Chives Cilantro Clover Collard greens† Cucumber Dandelion greens and flowers (beware pesticides)† Dill Endive† Escarole Fennel Green peppers Kale†‡ Lemon Balm Lilac Marigold Marjoram Mint Mustard greens† Parsley† Pea pods† Peppermint leaves Raddichio Radish (tops) Raspberry leaves Romaine lettuce (no iceberg)† Sage Savory Spinach†‡ Watercress† Wheat grass Zucchini † = Contains Vitamin A.‡ = Contains goitrogens and/or oxalates, and may be toxic over long periods of time. Hay is essential for the health of all rabbits for a variety of reasons. A steady supply of hay will help prevent hairballs and other digestive tract problems in rabbits. Additionally, it provides a number of necessary vitamins and minerals at a low calorie cost. Rabbits should be provided with a constant, unlimited supply of hay for their consumption. Rabbits enjoy chewing on hay, and always having hay available for your rabbit may reduce its tendency to chew on other items in your house. It is also a good idea to provide hay in your rabbit's litterbox, as rabbits enjoying munching on food while they are defecating. Not all hay is created equal, however. Timothy hay and other grass hays are considered the healthiest to provide your rabbit. As a persistently high blood calcium level can prove harmful to your rabbit, hays such as alfalfa and clover hay should be avoided. Alfalfa is also relatively high in calories, and a constant diet of it can cause obesity in rabbits. Treats are unhealthy in large quantities for rabbits, just as they are for humans. Most treats sold in pet stores are filled with sugar and high calorie carbohydrates. These should be avoided; the vitamins they claim to provide aren't needed, since the vegetables will provide all the vitamins your rabbit needs. In addition, they contain high quantities of sugar and other simple carbohydrates which will make your rabbit obese. If you are determined to feed your rabbit treats, the best treat to provide them with is fruit. Below are some acceptable fruits: Apple (no stem or seeds) Banana‡ Blackberry Blueberries Cantaloupe Grapes‡ Honeydew Orange (including peel) Papaya Peach Pear Pineapple Plums Raspberries Strawberries Tomato Watermelon &Dagger = Use very sparingly, as rabbits will eat only these, and ignore their other food. Cecal pellets are mostly digested food that rabbits defecate and subsequently reingest; a process known as Coprophagia. Usually a rabbit will eat the pellets straight from their anus, and as such, many people do not know of this aspect of a rabbit's diet. They are often refered to as "night pellets" or "night droppings", since the rabbits tend to eat them a few hours after their evening meal. Cecal pellets are soft, smelly, clumpy feces, and are a rabbit's only supply of Vitamin B12. Due to the design of the rabbit's digestive system, they cannot extract some vitamins and minerals directly from their food. At the end of their digestive system is an area called the cecum where cellulose and other plant fibers are broken down and ferment. After they have been broken down and passed, a rabbit's digestive system can finally extract the vitamins from them. Occasionally, your rabbit may leave these pellets lying about their cage; while smelly, this behavior is harmless. If their cecal pellets are consistantly wet and runny, this may indicate either too little fiber, or too many starches in their diet. This probably means that they need to be fed additional hay. Reproduction Rabbits are famed for their reproductive capabilities. Although certainly not the strongest, fastest, or smartest of the mammals, they have carved out a strong ecological niche through their impressive ability to multiply quickly. This prolificness lead to the oft-used vulgarity, "fuck like bunnies" and the more proper, "multiply like rabbits". Rabbits have a very high success rate for impregnation, due to the fact that female rabbits ovulate at the time of copulation. The gestation cycle for a rabbit averages 31 days, although it can vary anywhere between 29 and 35 days. Litter sizes generally range between two and 12 rabbits. Rabbits have many names they are known by. In the US (particularly), they are commonly refered to as bunny. Young rabbits are known by the names bunny, kit, or kitten. "Rabbit" itself used to be the word applied to the young, with the adult being called a cony or coney (pronounced cunny). This term fell out of useage owing to the taboo value of a homonym, and "rabbit" became common usage for both the young and the adult, with "bunny" entering into use later. A male rabbit is called a buck, and a female rabbit is called a doe. A group of rabbits is known as a herd. Species Notable species include the European rabbit, Oryctolagus cuniculus, which has been domesticated and through selective breeding has produced a wide range of breeds of pet rabbits. The wild form is well-known for digging networks of burrows called warrens. The American genus Sylvilagus comprises thirteen cottontail species. Taxonomy Unlike hares, they are born blind and furless, in a furlined nest, and totally dependent upon their mother. They were classified as Rodentia until 1912, when they were moved to the Lagomorpha order. Rabbits share the family Leporidae, together with the related hares. Their order, Lagomorpha, in addition to containing hares, also contains pikas. Rabbits and people Rabbits are popular pets. They are an example of an animal which is both petted and eaten by the same culture. Snares or shotguns are usually employed when catching rabbits for food. Dogs are often employed in rabbit hunting. Rabbits are often raised for meat called cuniculture. Rabbit pelts are a widely used fur for clothing. Because of their appetites, and the rate at which they breed, wild rabbit depredation can prove problematic for agriculture. Gassing, barriers (fences), shooting, snaring and ferreting have been used to control rabbit populations, as has the disease myxomatosis. Rabbits in culture and literature Rabbits are often used as a symbol of fertility. It is possibly as a consequence of this that they have been associated with Easter. There is a rabbit among the 12 animals in the Chinese zodiac. Rabbits have appeared in a host of works of film and literature, notably the White Rabbit in Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland; in the popular novel Watership Down; and as the cartoon character Bugs Bunny. Rabbit feet are considered lucky, and fake rabbit feet are often sold as cheap trinkets. External Links http://www.rabbit.org - House Rabbit Society

--------------------------------- See also: cuniculture, Easter Bunny, hare, Rabbit invasion in Australia It was last modified 20:19 Mar 19, 2003. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License.Wikipedia Main Page Recent changes Random page Current events Edit this page Discuss this page Older versions Printable version What links here Related changes Special pages Bug reports Fran#231;ais #26085;#26412;#35486; (Nihongo)

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--- Nick Reinking nick@twoevils.org wrote:

On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 03:53:45AM -0800, Anthere wrote:

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He !

Thanks for adding a picture, for the Nick link

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displayed "server cannot be found for me"

<points out that he was linking directly against the Wikipedia image, and if it was displaying any errors, than Brion is to blame.> I'll move a copy to my local server and change the link.

Brion is always the one getting blame :-(((

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That looks good. I don't like too much to bottom vertical bar

though.

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Still, most of this article belongs to the [[cuniculture]] article, not to the rabbit one :-)

I know, I know. We got that all hashed out in Talk: Rabbit (Australia). I'll get to moving everything around one of these days.

Hu ? We ? I don't know ? Who are you ? :-)

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 10:34:50AM +0000, tarquin wrote:

Nick Reinking wrote:

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Go ahead and tinker with it. It won't hurt my feelings. :) I stayed with the non-touching lines (despite it being a pain in the ass) because that is what you see on the default theme at Wikipedia. :) I think it looks cool, anyways. I have changed the colour to the midpoint of meta and Wikipedia (#EEEEEE).

I've softened the look a bit - blocks of colour instead of lines & I've changed the DTD so Mozilla goes into standards mode rather than Quirks.

I've switched to ems -- try scaling the fonts up now :-) the top bar and the side bar both grow to fit

I've used part of the hack here: http://devnull.tagsoup.com/fixed/

to make it work in IE-6 -- the quickbar is no longer fixed, but the page is readable :-)

Unfortunately, the topbar is also absolute in your version, that is something that I think is very useful to have fixed (seeing as I am often jumping from article to article, and always having an available 'Go' and 'Edit' button would be very convenient.

I know other hacks that will work with IE-6, but I didn't want to add them in until the regular version had settled down. I will peek at your ems code. :) Also, I miss the borders. Would people rather have the bordered, or non-bordered version?

On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:18:17PM +0000, tarquin wrote:

Nick Reinking wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 10:34:50AM +0000, tarquin wrote:

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Unfortunately, the topbar is also absolute in your version, that is something that I think is very useful to have fixed (seeing as I am often jumping from article to article, and always having an available 'Go' and 'Edit' button would be very convenient.

The problem with that is that with large font sizes the top bar becomes two lines. The margin-top given to the content can't cope with that eventuality. At that point, it either overflows or is partially obscured :( (I *wish* CSS absolutes & fixed could be made to affect flow!)

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I know other hacks that will work with IE-6, but I didn't want to add them in until the regular version had settled down. I will peek at your ems code. :) Also, I miss the borders. Would people rather have the bordered, or non-bordered version?

Like so? I like both :-) since the HTML is identical, we can provde alternative stylesheets -- Mozilla and Opera users will be able to choose a colour (&border) scheme :-D

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I had actually changed the topbar to use ems last night - now, everything up to 150% text size looks fine in Mozilla, and ever 200% is workable. Note that a 200% zoom in Mozilla gets about 10 words to a line, so I doubt anybody will ever zoom to that size (they will likely use zooming tools that allow you to zoom over sections).

tarquin wrote:

Let's have a fixed topbar then :-) can we fool IE into displaying *something* reasonable for that too? it would be great if this works on all browsers -- we can have this as the new default skin. :-D

what's happening with the new skin?

New design at http://wiki.beyondunreal.com/

I've been inspired by this recent discussion. (which is the artistic way to I've copied some of Nick's ideas ;-)

On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 10:36:02AM -0600, Nick Reinking wrote:

On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 05:21:53PM +0100, tarquin wrote:

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tarquin wrote:

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Let's have a fixed topbar then :-) can we fool IE into displaying *something* reasonable for that too? it would be great if this works on all browsers -- we can have this as the new default skin. :-D

Okay, it is updated, with a working topbar and quickbar in everything. I couldn't turn off Mozilla quirks mode without breaking IE 6 Win. (http://www.twoevils.org/files/wiki/Rabbit-minimal.html)

Fixed positioning working in: Camino (Mozilla 1.0.1 based) (MacOS X) Mozilla 1.3 (Windows XP) IE 5.2.2 (MacOS X) Safari 1.0 Beta v60 (KHTML based)

Absolute positioning working in: IE 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp1.020828-1920 (Windows XP) Links 0.96 (CYGWIN_NT-5.1, cygcurses++5, Windows XP) Links 0.98 (Linux 2.4, ncurses5) Lynx 2.8.4rel.1 (CYGWIN_NT-5.1, cygcurses++5, Windows XP) Netscape 4.8en (Windows XP) (with quirks, but perfectly usable)

Whew! Other testing would be cool.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:14:03PM -0500, Mark Wojtowicz wrote:

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Okay, how about now? Any comments would be appreciated.

Minimal: http:///www.twoevils.org/files/wiki/Rabbit-minimal.html

IE6 doesn't support CSS2's {position: fixed}. :(

That's strange. I have it working right here... IE 5.2...

... for the Mac. :P

In all seriousness, IE doesn't allow you to fix elements to the viewport. This really isn't something that can be fixed; IE's support for standards is terribly broken, and there is nothing that I can do about it. :( Still, there are plenty of browsers that work that fully support these standards (IE 5/Mac, Camino, Safari, Konquerer, Mozilla, Phoenix, Opera...)