Hi Folks:
I am a newbie so I apologize if I am asking basic questions. How would I go about hosting wiktionary allowing search queries via the web using opensearch. I am having trouble fining info on how to set this up. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
2009/1/27 Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com:
Hi Folks:
I am a newbie so I apologize if I am asking basic questions. How would I go about hosting wiktionary allowing search queries via the web using opensearch. I am having trouble fining info on how to set this up. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Why do you want to host Wiktionary? It's already hosted at en.wiktionary.org. And do you mean Wiktionary (as you said in the body of your email) or Wikipedia (as you said in the subject line)? Or do you actually mean your own wiki, unrelated to either of those?
I am working on a project to host wiktionary on one web page and wikipedia on another. So both, sorry..
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2009/1/27 Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com:
Hi Folks:
I am a newbie so I apologize if I am asking basic questions. How would I go about hosting wiktionary allowing search queries via the web using opensearch. I am having trouble fining info on how to set this up. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Why do you want to host Wiktionary? It's already hosted at en.wiktionary.org. And do you mean Wiktionary (as you said in the body of your email) or Wikipedia (as you said in the subject line)? Or do you actually mean your own wiki, unrelated to either of those?
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2009/1/27 Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com:
I am working on a project to host wiktionary on one web page and wikipedia on another. So both, sorry..
You mean web *site*, surely? They are both far too big to fit on a single page. I think you need to work out precisely what it is you're trying to do before we can help you.
yes, website. so a web page has a search box that passes the input to wiktionary and results are provided on a results page. an example may be reference..com
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2009/1/27 Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com:
I am working on a project to host wiktionary on one web page and wikipedia on another. So both, sorry..
You mean web *site*, surely? They are both far too big to fit on a single page. I think you need to work out precisely what it is you're trying to do before we can help you.
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2009/1/27 Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com:
yes, website. so a web page has a search box that passes the input to wiktionary and results are provided on a results page. an example may be reference..com
How would this differ from the search box on en.wiktionary.org? What are you actually trying to achieve?
refer to reference. com website and do a search
----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:07:36 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] hosting wikipedia
2009/1/27 Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com:
yes, website. so a web page has a search box that passes the input to wiktionary and results are provided on a results page. an example may be reference..com
How would this differ from the search box on en.wiktionary.org? What are you actually trying to achieve?
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maybe this is what this guy need:
<form name="bodySearch" id="bodySearch" class="bodySearch" action="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search"> <input type="text" name="search" size="50" id="bodySearchInput" /><input type="submit" name="go" value="Define" /> </form>
test: http://zerror.com/unorganized/wika/test.htm
it don't seems wiktionary block external searchs now (via REFERRER), but maybe may change the policy on the future/change the parameters needed.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com wrote:
refer to reference. com website and do a search
yes, website. so a web page has a search box that passes the input to wiktionary and results are provided on a results page. an example may be reference..com
How would this differ from the search box on en.wiktionary.org? What are you actually trying to achieve?
I'll try to weigh in with a bit of useful information, but it probably won't help that much.
You'll need a quite impressive machine to host even just the current revisions of the wiki. Expect to expend 10s to even hundreds of gigabytes on the database alone for Wikipedia using only the current versions.
There instructions for how to load the data that can be found by googling "wikipedia dump".
Several others have inquired for more information about your goal, and I'm going to echo that. The mechanics of hosting this kind of data (volume, really) are highly related to the associated task.
This data used for academic research would be handled differenty than for a live website, for example.
Nobody likes to be told they can't do something, or get a bunch of useless responses to a request for help. Very sincerely, though, unless you find enough information from the dump instruction pages to point you on the right direction and are able to ask more specific questions, you are in over your head. Your solution at that point would be to hire somebody.
Sent from my phone, Jeff
On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Folks:
I am a newbie so I apologize if I am asking basic questions. How would I go about hosting wiktionary allowing search queries via the web using opensearch. I am having trouble fining info on how to set this up. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
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Jeff Ferland wrote:
You'll need a quite impressive machine to host even just the current revisions of the wiki. Expect to expend 10s to even hundreds of gigabytes on the database alone for Wikipedia using only the current versions.
No, no, no. You're looking at it all wrong. That's the sucker's way of doing it.
If you're smart, you put up a simple page with a text box labeled "Wikipedia search", and whenever someone types a query into the box and submits it, you ship the query over to the Wikimedia servers, and then slurp back the response, and display it back to the original submitter. That way only Wikimedia has to worry about all those pesky gigabyte-level database hosting requirements, while you get all the glory.
This appears to be what the questioner is asking about.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Steve Summit scs@eskimo.com wrote:
Jeff Ferland wrote:
You'll need a quite impressive machine to host even just the current revisions of the wiki. Expect to expend 10s to even hundreds of gigabytes on the database alone for Wikipedia using only the current versions.
No, no, no. You're looking at it all wrong. That's the sucker's way of doing it.
If you're smart, you put up a simple page with a text box labeled "Wikipedia search", and whenever someone types a query into the box and submits it, you ship the query over to the Wikimedia servers, and then slurp back the response, and display it back to the original submitter. That way only Wikimedia has to worry about all those pesky gigabyte-level database hosting requirements, while you get all the glory.
This appears to be what the questioner is asking about.
Let's AGF a bit...
Even if someone with a not particularly Wikipedia goal in life links to one of our searches from their page, all the resultant search result links are back into Wikipedia.
If people have a question about something, and want to look it up, does it really matter if they go to Wikipedia's front page and click "search" versus doing so in another context?
We're providing an information resource - other sites can and often do link to our articles (quite appropriately). Why not link to our search?
The search link should in fairness tell people what they're getting, sure, but that's more of a website-to-end-user disclosure problem than a problem for us.
Google switching to use our search would crush us, obviously. As would AOL. But J. Random site? Seems like an ok thing, to me.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Google switching to use our search would crush us, obviously.
Doubtful. It wouldn't be terribly pleasant, but I doubt it would take down the site so easily. Alexa says google.com gets about ten times the traffic as wikipedia.org. If google.com/ redirected to wikipedia.org, I don't know if that would crash the site by itself.
As would AOL.
Wikipedia is far bigger than AOL. That would only be a 20% or 30% spike in traffic. I'm pretty sure we could handle that.
Anyway, the reason live mirrors are prohibited is not for load reasons. I believe it's because if a site does nothing but stick up some ads and add no value, Wikimedia is going to demand a cut of the profit for using its trademarks and so on. Some sites pay Wikimedia for live mirroring. So the others, in principle, get blocked.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Aryeh Gregor <Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.comSimetrical%2Bwikilist@gmail.com
wrote:
Anyway, the reason live mirrors are prohibited is not for load reasons. I believe it's because if a site does nothing but stick up some ads and add no value, Wikimedia is going to demand a cut of the profit for using its trademarks and so on. Some sites pay Wikimedia for live mirroring. So the others, in principle, get blocked.
Right, but a live mirror is a very different thing than a search box link.
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Right, but a live mirror is a very different thing than a search box link.
Well, as far as I can tell, we have no idea whether the original poster meant either of those, or perhaps something else altogether. Obviously nobody minds a search box link, that's just a *link*. You can't stop people from linking to you.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Aryeh Gregor Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Right, but a live mirror is a very different thing than a search box link.
Well, as far as I can tell, we have no idea whether the original poster meant either of those, or perhaps something else altogether. Obviously nobody minds a search box link, that's just a *link*. You can't stop people from linking to you.
This one code don't even need to use http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search
<input box id="word" /> <form id="form1"> <input type="button" onclick="searchWiktionary()" value="Define" /> </form>
<script>
function $(name){ return document.getElementById(name); }
function searchWiktionary(){ var word = $("word").value; $("form1").setAttribute("action","http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%22+ escape(word) ); $("form1").submit(); } </script>
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Tei oscar.vives@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Aryeh Gregor Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Right, but a live mirror is a very different thing than a search box link.
Well, as far as I can tell, we have no idea whether the original poster meant either of those, or perhaps something else altogether. Obviously nobody minds a search box link, that's just a *link*. You can't stop people from linking to you.
This one code don't even need to use http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search
<input box id="word" /> <form id="form1"> <input type="button" onclick="searchWiktionary()" value="Define" /> </form>
<script> function $(name){ return document.getElementById(name); } function searchWiktionary(){ var word = $("word").value; $("form1").setAttribute("action","http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/"+ escape(word) ); $("form1").submit(); } </script>
postadata: I know the OP talk about OpenSearch. This snip of code is something different instead.
What code would I use if decided to use Open Search? Any thoughts on how to manage the search results to integrate it with my website present it consistently with the rest of the site?
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Tei oscar.vives@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Aryeh Gregor Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Right, but a live mirror is a very different thing than a search box link.
Well, as far as I can tell, we have no idea whether the original poster meant either of those, or perhaps something else altogether. Obviously nobody minds a search box link, that's just a *link*. You can't stop people from linking to you.
This one code don't even need to use http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search
<input box id="word" /> <form id="form1"> <input type="button" onclick="searchWiktionary()" value="Define" /> </form>
<script> function $(name){ return document.getElementById(name); } function searchWiktionary(){ var word = $("word").value; $("form1").setAttribute("action","http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/"+ escape(word) ); $("form1").submit(); } </script>
postadata: I know the OP talk about OpenSearch. This snip of code is something different instead.
Any thoughts on this?? What code would I use if decided to use Open Search? Any thoughts on how to manage the search results to integrate it with my website present it consistently with the rest of the site?
----- Original Message ---- From: Tei oscar.vives@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:31:42 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] hosting wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Tei oscar.vives@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Aryeh Gregor Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Right, but a live mirror is a very different thing than a search box link.
Well, as far as I can tell, we have no idea whether the original poster meant either of those, or perhaps something else altogether. Obviously nobody minds a search box link, that's just a *link*. You can't stop people from linking to you.
This one code don't even need to use http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search
<input box id="word" /> <form id="form1"> <input type="button" onclick="searchWiktionary()" value="Define" /> </form>
<script> function $(name){ return document.getElementById(name); } function searchWiktionary(){ var word = $("word").value; $("form1").setAttribute("action","http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/"+ escape(word) ); $("form1").submit(); } </script>
postadata: I know the OP talk about OpenSearch. This snip of code is something different instead.
try JSON to call the results which can then be written to your page via js. but really your gunna have to solve this your self, there are lots of different ways and we cant make your site for you...
regards
mark
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Stephen Dunn swdunn@yahoo.com wrote:
Any thoughts on this?? What code would I use if decided to use Open Search? Any thoughts on how to manage the search results to integrate it with my website present it consistently with the rest of the site?
----- Original Message ---- From: Tei oscar.vives@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:31:42 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] hosting wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Tei oscar.vives@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Aryeh Gregor <Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com Simetrical%2Bwikilist@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Right, but a live mirror is a very different thing than a search box
link.
Well, as far as I can tell, we have no idea whether the original poster meant either of those, or perhaps something else altogether. Obviously nobody minds a search box link, that's just a *link*. You can't stop people from linking to you.
This one code don't even need to use http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search
<input box id="word" /> <form id="form1"> <input type="button" onclick="searchWiktionary()" value="Define" /> </form>
<script> function $(name){ return document.getElementById(name); } function searchWiktionary(){ var word = $("word").value; $("form1").setAttribute("action","http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/"+ escape(word) ); $("form1").submit(); } </script>
postadata: I know the OP talk about OpenSearch. This snip of code is something different instead.
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I want to offer something like reference. com where the results are formatted in a manner consistent with the look and feel of my website. try a search on this site and you will see what I mean. So is this a live mirror? If ads are on the site, is the revenue shared?
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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Right, but a live mirror is a very different thing than a search box link.
Well, as far as I can tell, we have no idea whether the original poster meant either of those, or perhaps something else altogether. Obviously nobody minds a search box link, that's just a *link*. You can't stop people from linking to you.
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