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Mohamed Magdy

23 Nov 2007 23 Nov '07

11:56 p.m.

Hello Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views? --user:alnokta

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24 Nov 24 Nov

12:03 a.m.

It would be quite interesting. You could make it that people who do not navigate in 5 minutes, they expire on the list. I'd be quite interested in this feature if it were to be implemented. Kind regards, E English Wikipedia e.wikipedia(a)gmail.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mohamed Magdy" <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:56 AM To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Who is online?

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Hello Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views? --user:alnokta _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Mark Clements

12:50 a.m.

From: "Mohamed Magdy" <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Who is online?

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Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views?

Try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CurrentUsers I have not looked at it personally, so can't vouch for it, but it claims to do what you want. - Mark Clements (HappyDog)

Mohamed Magdy

6:46 p.m.

On Nov 24, 2007 2:50 AM, Mark Clements <gmane(a)kennel17.co.uk> wrote:

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From: "Mohamed Magdy" <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Who is online?

Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views?

Try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CurrentUsers I have not looked at it personally, so can't vouch for it, but it claims to do what you want. Mark, I mean using something like that on Wikimedia's wikis, Not mine.

--user:alnokta;

Majorly

7:37 p.m.

On 24/11/2007, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Nov 24, 2007 2:50 AM, Mark Clements <gmane(a)kennel17.co.uk> wrote:

From: "Mohamed Magdy" <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Who is online? > Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will

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be accurate and have the same problem of page views?

--user:alnokta; _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

You'd need consensus on the wiki for it to even be considered. -- Alex (Majorly) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Majorly

GerardM

10:09 p.m.

Hoi, First you have to understand why you want it and, what services you can provide when you have this. Then you have to consider how you can provide a service; opt in is a possibility.. And when you have persuasive arguments that enhance the service to people that opt in and that do not hassle those that opt out, why would you need consensus. It is not as if you need consensus on things just because you can ask for it. When it makes sense, we should just get functions to function and be happy with it. Thanks, Gerard On Nov 24, 2007 8:37 PM, Majorly <axel9891(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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On 24/11/2007, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 24, 2007 2:50 AM, Mark Clements <gmane(a)kennel17.co.uk> wrote:

From: "Mohamed Magdy" <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Who is online? > Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will

not > > be accurate and have the same problem of page views? > > Try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CurrentUsers > > I have not looked at it personally, so can't vouch for it, but it

claims

> to > do what you want. > > > Mark, I mean using something like that on Wikimedia's wikis, Not

mine.

--user:alnokta; _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

You'd need consensus on the wiki for it to even be considered. -- Alex (Majorly) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Majorly _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Jay R. Ashworth

11:28 p.m.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 08:46:47PM +0200, Mohamed Magdy wrote:

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[ Mark said: ]

I have not looked at it personally, so can't vouch for it, but it claims to do what you want. Mark, I mean using something like that on Wikimedia's wikis, Not mine.

--user:alnokta;

First, note that you need to be more careful about your quoting; your actual response is indented as if it were Mark's writing; this stuff actually matters. Second, IIRC, this came up about 6 months ago, and when someone chimed in who was more or less official, the answer was "no, we will purposefully never implement that on WMF wikis"; the answer I recall involved avoiding traffic analysis and other stalkery behaviour. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra(a)baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Witty slogan redacted until AMPTP stop screwing WGA

Simetrical

11:31 p.m.

On 11/23/07, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hello Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views?

It wouldn't exactly be possible. Tim suggested something of the sort, "Who's editing this page" (with a little chat thing, too!). The key issue is Squid caching: such a count probably would not include people being served cached pages. It would, however, likely include most logged-in users, since their page views frequently have to bypass cache, and they tend to do things like edit and view watchlists that aren't cached in the first place. Needless to say, this would be likely to face stiff opposition from a lot of projects if it were anything other than opt-in, and probably wouldn't ever be implemented except on that basis, if it ever were at all.

Andrew Garrett

25 Nov 25 Nov

5:07 a.m.

On 11/25/07, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 11/23/07, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views?

It wouldn't exactly be possible.

Also, the list would be enormous. -- Andrew Garrett

6:06 a.m.

If there were to be such list, I would assume that it would be for registered users who 'opt-in' (through a tick box in Special:Preferences - not ticked by default) or have a edit count of over 100/500 edits. That would make it a bit smaller and a bit easier to navigate through. A page called Special:Onlineusers would be the best place to list it. Kind regards, E English Wikipedia IRC: TheLetterE Email: e.wikipedia(a)gmail.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Garrett" <andrew(a)epstone.net> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:07 PM To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is online?

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On 11/25/07, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/23/07, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views?

It wouldn't exactly be possible.

Also, the list would be enormous. -- Andrew Garrett _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

GerardM

6:19 a.m.

Hoi, The list would only be enormous when you get to see the whole list. However, why would you show the whole list ? Would it not make better sense to have an opt in for you to allow other people to see you in the first place; this would be the standard way in which typical chat systems work. When you implement something like IRC it would be equal to how IRC works without the trolling of people who do not want their project ID to be known. Thanks, GerardM On Nov 25, 2007 6:07 AM, Andrew Garrett <andrew(a)epstone.net> wrote:

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On 11/25/07, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/23/07, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will

not be

accurate and have the same problem of page views?

It wouldn't exactly be possible.

Platonides

5:23 p.m.

Mohamed Magdy wrote at "Who is online?":

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Hello Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views? --user:alnokta

Currently, at es.wikipedia there's a quite common script to set your presence status. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Axxgreazz/Monobook-Suite/Administrador… With a link you set if you want to appear as Connected, Busy or Disconnected. Each change means an edit to a user subpage. I think that system would be good enough, if *implemented without edits*, just as an image include (like jabber presence status images), thus -Filling a user wish. -Doing that efficiently. An <img tag can be cached. Current way using templates make lots of rerenderings (they are usually inserted in user pages and talk, luckily policy doesn't allow it on signatures). -If determining presence and sending images is problematic for pmtpa, it could be done at toolserver. I'd also add binding to irc and Jabber, but let's kiss for now ;)

Angela

27 Nov 27 Nov

6:42 a.m.

On Nov 24, 2007 10:56 AM, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hello Is it possible to have such a feature on Wikimedia wikis? or it will not be accurate and have the same problem of page views?

It's certainly possible and Wikia is developing an extension to do this. It's up to the projects to decide whether or not it's desirable. If you want to try it out, please contact me off list and I can explain how to view this feature on Wikia. Angela

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