Hi. It looks wrong, at least for me, and it will take hours until somebody will pay attention in tab, so I write here.
The sql log tables are dead. In many wikis. Each one in different time. Enwiki yesterday 17:50, hewiki today moring, ruwiki today evening. I'm 98% sure it's wrong. 1% it's always like that and I didn't know, and 1% it's done in purpose. I filed T175487. Thank you. Igal
Just posting because originally i thought you meant special:log on wiki which sounded really bad. To avoid confusion this is actually about high replication (around a day) on tool labs.
-- briam
On Sunday, September 10, 2017, יגאל חיטרון khitron@post.bgu.ac.il wrote:
Hi. It looks wrong, at least for me, and it will take hours until somebody will pay attention in tab, so I write here.
The sql log tables are dead. In many wikis. Each one in different time. Enwiki yesterday 17:50, hewiki today moring, ruwiki today evening. I'm 98% sure it's wrong. 1% it's always like that and I didn't know, and 1% it's done in purpose. I filed T175487. Thank you. Igal _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
If the problem was real logs, I would tag a lot of people in the phab ticket, don't worry. Igal
2017-09-10 19:56 GMT+03:00 Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com:
Just posting because originally i thought you meant special:log on wiki which sounded really bad. To avoid confusion this is actually about high replication (around a day) on tool labs.
-- briam
On Sunday, September 10, 2017, יגאל חיטרון khitron@post.bgu.ac.il wrote:
Hi. It looks wrong, at least for me, and it will take hours until
somebody
will pay attention in tab, so I write here.
The sql log tables are dead. In many wikis. Each one in different time. Enwiki yesterday 17:50, hewiki today moring, ruwiki today evening. I'm
98%
sure it's wrong. 1% it's always like that and I didn't know, and 1% it's done in purpose. I filed T175487. Thank you. Igal _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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2017-09-10 18:59 GMT+02:00 יגאל חיטרון khitron@post.bgu.ac.il:
If the problem was real logs, I would tag a lot of people in the phab ticket, don't worry.
However, this does not seem to be a followable logic for me. I think, most of us understand you better, if you definitely tell, what you are speaking about.
Hi. I think you missed that. I started from "The sql log tables are dead". It shows exactly where is the problem. Igal
On Sep 12, 2017 08:39, "Bináris" wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
2017-09-10 18:59 GMT+02:00 יגאל חיטרון khitron@post.bgu.ac.il:
If the problem was real logs, I would tag a lot of people in the phab ticket, don't worry.
However, this does not seem to be a followable logic for me. I think, most of us understand you better, if you definitely tell, what you are speaking about. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:51 AM, יגאל חיטרון khitron@gmail.com wrote:
Hi. I think you missed that. I started from "The sql log tables are dead". It shows exactly where is the problem.
The criticism that you are receiving is that you didn't specify *which* log tables in your email. It turns out you meant the replicas in Toolforge, but your original message was so vague that it could easily have been indicating a problem in the Beta Cluster or on the production wikis.
In general, it's best to say explicitly what you're talking about instead of assuming people will somehow know it.
The problem is I have no idea what is Toolforge and what is Beta Cluster. And I never thought there is more than one option. If I would know, of cause, I whould give all the details. Igal
2017-09-12 17:17 GMT+03:00 Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjorsch@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:51 AM, יגאל חיטרון khitron@gmail.com wrote:
Hi. I think you missed that. I started from "The sql log tables are
dead".
It shows exactly where is the problem.
The criticism that you are receiving is that you didn't specify *which* log tables in your email. It turns out you meant the replicas in Toolforge, but your original message was so vague that it could easily have been indicating a problem in the Beta Cluster or on the production wikis.
In general, it's best to say explicitly what you're talking about instead of assuming people will somehow know it.
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I think this can be solved easily if you just add the URL of what you're looking at when you send an email or report such things.
This will help everyone understand the context even if you aren't aware of all the other products or tools that we have. You need to understand that sending an email saying that any sort of logs or sql tables are down makes people very very concerned, especially during a weekend. It is common courtesy to add the context, to make sure people don't jump in panic over the wrong problem. And it will be beneficial to actually solving the problem you report - because people will be able to look into the correct problem, rather than wondering if you mean something else that you might not be aware exist.
Just add the link you're looking at, that should solve at least some of the confusion for the future :)
(It's also a good idea in general to anyone reporting an issue, be it here or in Phabricator, and will save developers a lot of time trying to find the issue themselves)
Moriel
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 7:20 AM, יגאל חיטרון khitron@post.bgu.ac.il wrote:
The problem is I have no idea what is Toolforge and what is Beta Cluster. And I never thought there is more than one option. If I would know, of cause, I whould give all the details. Igal
2017-09-12 17:17 GMT+03:00 Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjorsch@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:51 AM, יגאל חיטרון khitron@gmail.com wrote:
Hi. I think you missed that. I started from "The sql log tables are
dead".
It shows exactly where is the problem.
The criticism that you are receiving is that you didn't specify *which*
log
tables in your email. It turns out you meant the replicas in Toolforge,
but
your original message was so vague that it could easily have been indicating a problem in the Beta Cluster or on the production wikis.
In general, it's best to say explicitly what you're talking about instead of assuming people will somehow know it.
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Hi, Moriel. Good idea. I will. Igal.
2017-09-13 19:56 GMT+03:00 Moriel Schottlender mschottlender@wikimedia.org :
I think this can be solved easily if you just add the URL of what you're looking at when you send an email or report such things.
This will help everyone understand the context even if you aren't aware of all the other products or tools that we have. You need to understand that sending an email saying that any sort of logs or sql tables are down makes people very very concerned, especially during a weekend. It is common courtesy to add the context, to make sure people don't jump in panic over the wrong problem. And it will be beneficial to actually solving the problem you report - because people will be able to look into the correct problem, rather than wondering if you mean something else that you might not be aware exist.
Just add the link you're looking at, that should solve at least some of the confusion for the future :)
(It's also a good idea in general to anyone reporting an issue, be it here or in Phabricator, and will save developers a lot of time trying to find the issue themselves)
Moriel
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 7:20 AM, יגאל חיטרון khitron@post.bgu.ac.il wrote:
The problem is I have no idea what is Toolforge and what is Beta Cluster. And I never thought there is more than one option. If I would know, of cause, I whould give all the details. Igal
2017-09-12 17:17 GMT+03:00 Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjorsch@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:51 AM, יגאל חיטרון khitron@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi. I think you missed that. I started from "The sql log tables are
dead".
It shows exactly where is the problem.
The criticism that you are receiving is that you didn't specify *which*
log
tables in your email. It turns out you meant the replicas in Toolforge,
but
your original message was so vague that it could easily have been indicating a problem in the Beta Cluster or on the production wikis.
In general, it's best to say explicitly what you're talking about
instead
of assuming people will somehow know it.
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