Oversight is being overused where deletion would be appropriate when deletion isn't possible ...
Any progress on single-edit deletion?
- d.
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
I disagree. There is an increased need for oversight (it's marginal, though). Before, when one of the 3 situations you quote came up we had a choice between oversight and simple deletion. Simple deletion was find in the less sensitive cases. Now, for large pages, that option is gone, so oversight will need to be used in every case, that results in a greater need for oversight.
There is no room for disagreement here. Oversight is an extreme tool governed by a Board-supported policy on its use, which involved immediate loss of privileges for misuse. Oversight is not simply deletion of a single revision, it is the removal of that revision entirely from the history so that not even any administrator can see it or even see a log that it was done, and it can only be reversed with the help of a developer. We can certainly say that we hope that single-revision deletion becomes easier with new features added to MediaWiki in the future, but it is inappropriate to suggest that oversight can fulfill this role.
Dominic
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Needless to say, extra care should be taken that single-edit deletion would work for pages with more than 1000 revisions.
Hojjat (aka Huji)
On Feb 19, 2008 6:25 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Oversight is being overused where deletion would be appropriate when deletion isn't possible ...
Any progress on single-edit deletion?
- d.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dmcdevit dmcdevit@cox.net Date: 19 Feb 2008 14:10 Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] misleading advice on oversight on wikizine To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Thomas Dalton wrote:
I disagree. There is an increased need for oversight (it's marginal, though). Before, when one of the 3 situations you quote came up we had a choice between oversight and simple deletion. Simple deletion was find in the less sensitive cases. Now, for large pages, that option is gone, so oversight will need to be used in every case, that results in a greater need for oversight.
There is no room for disagreement here. Oversight is an extreme tool governed by a Board-supported policy on its use, which involved immediate loss of privileges for misuse. Oversight is not simply deletion of a single revision, it is the removal of that revision entirely from the history so that not even any administrator can see it or even see a log that it was done, and it can only be reversed with the help of a developer. We can certainly say that we hope that single-revision deletion becomes easier with new features added to MediaWiki in the future, but it is inappropriate to suggest that oversight can fulfill this role.
Dominic
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