Another answer - it'd be "custom app" time.
So the question is: what do we tell iPhone users?
- d.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Maciej Stachowiak mjs@apple.com Date: 2009/7/10 Subject: Re: [whatwg] Serving up Theora <video> in the real world To: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com Cc: WHATWG Proposals whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:59 PM, David Gerard wrote:
The question is what to do for platforms such as the iPhone, which doesn't even run Java.
Is there any way to install an additional codec in the iPhone browser? Is it (even theoretically) possible to put a free app on the AppStore just to play Ogg Theora video for our users? (There are many AppStore apps that support Ogg Vorbis, don't know if any support Theora - so presumably AppStore stuff doesn't give Apple the feared submarine patent exposure.)
Just by way of factual information:
There's no Java in the iPhone version of Safari. There are no browser plugins. There is no facility for systemwide codec plugins. There is no way to get an App Store app to launch automatically from Web content. I don't think there is any obstacle to posting an App Store app that does nothing but play videos from WikiPedia, the way the YouTube app plays YouTube videos. But I don't think there is a way to integrate it with browsing.
Regards, Maciej
Tell the users to complain to Apple? .. Bring up anti-competitive lawsuits against apple? Buy a Mobil device that is less locked down? There is no easy solution when the platform is a walled garden. There are two paths towards supporting html5 video in mobile platforms.
1) getting things working within the provided web browser platform or 2) running your own browser software as an application (we only should consider a normal phone obviously on a jail-broken device you can do lots of things... but that greatly reduces the possibility of wide deployment)
I was looking at this situation for the iPhone and Android based phones. I think android based phones have a better shot at supporting ogg theora html5 video in the near term. In the long term the market will drive the devices to support ogg or not.
iPhone 1) The internals of the quicktime/media system for the iPhone are not very exposed nor do they appear to be very extendable. 2) The Apple SDK agreement forbids virtual machines of any kind. This effectively makes competing web browsers illegal.
Android / HTC phones: 1) I would hope google/android would ship theora/html5 support since theora will be supported in their desktop webkit based chrome browser. I think it would be relatively easy for a given android based phone distributer to support ogg once webkit on android supports html5 video. 2) Android recently added native code exposure: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/06/introducing-android-15-ndk-re... I wonder if this could be a path for a port of Firefox or a custom version of the open source webkit browser on android?
--michael
David Gerard wrote:
Another answer - it'd be "custom app" time.
So the question is: what do we tell iPhone users?
- d.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Maciej Stachowiak mjs@apple.com Date: 2009/7/10 Subject: Re: [whatwg] Serving up Theora <video> in the real world To: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com Cc: WHATWG Proposals whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:59 PM, David Gerard wrote:
The question is what to do for platforms such as the iPhone, which doesn't even run Java.
Is there any way to install an additional codec in the iPhone browser? Is it (even theoretically) possible to put a free app on the AppStore just to play Ogg Theora video for our users? (There are many AppStore apps that support Ogg Vorbis, don't know if any support Theora - so presumably AppStore stuff doesn't give Apple the feared submarine patent exposure.)
Just by way of factual information:
There's no Java in the iPhone version of Safari. There are no browser plugins. There is no facility for systemwide codec plugins. There is no way to get an App Store app to launch automatically from Web content. I don't think there is any obstacle to posting an App Store app that does nothing but play videos from WikiPedia, the way the YouTube app plays YouTube videos. But I don't think there is a way to integrate it with browsing.
Regards, Maciej
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On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Michael Dalemdale@wikimedia.org wrote:
Tell the users to complain to Apple? .. Bring up anti-competitive lawsuits against apple? Buy a Mobil device that is less locked down? There is no easy solution when the platform is a walled garden. There are two paths towards supporting html5 video in mobile platforms.
- getting things working within the provided web browser platform
or 2) running your own browser software as an application (we only should consider a normal phone obviously on a jail-broken device you can do lots of things... but that greatly reduces the possibility of wide deployment)
I was looking at this situation for the iPhone and Android based phones. I think android based phones have a better shot at supporting ogg theora html5 video in the near term. In the long term the market will drive the devices to support ogg or not.
iPhone
- The internals of the quicktime/media system for the iPhone are not
very exposed nor do they appear to be very extendable. 2) The Apple SDK agreement forbids virtual machines of any kind. This effectively makes competing web browsers illegal.
Android / HTC phones:
- I would hope google/android would ship theora/html5 support since
theora will be supported in their desktop webkit based chrome browser. I think it would be relatively easy for a given android based phone distributer to support ogg once webkit on android supports html5 video. 2) Android recently added native code exposure: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/06/introducing-android-15-ndk-re... I wonder if this could be a path for a port of Firefox or a custom version of the open source webkit browser on android?
--michael
David Gerard wrote:
Another answer - it'd be "custom app" time.
So the question is: what do we tell iPhone users?
- d.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Maciej Stachowiak mjs@apple.com Date: 2009/7/10 Subject: Re: [whatwg] Serving up Theora <video> in the real world To: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com Cc: WHATWG Proposals whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:59 PM, David Gerard wrote:
The question is what to do for platforms such as the iPhone, which doesn't even run Java.
Is there any way to install an additional codec in the iPhone browser? Is it (even theoretically) possible to put a free app on the AppStore just to play Ogg Theora video for our users? (There are many AppStore apps that support Ogg Vorbis, don't know if any support Theora - so presumably AppStore stuff doesn't give Apple the feared submarine patent exposure.)
Just by way of factual information:
There's no Java in the iPhone version of Safari. There are no browser plugins. There is no facility for systemwide codec plugins. There is no way to get an App Store app to launch automatically from Web content. I don't think there is any obstacle to posting an App Store app that does nothing but play videos from WikiPedia, the way the YouTube app plays YouTube videos. But I don't think there is a way to integrate it with browsing.
Regards, Maciej
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Don't want to go OT, but the NDK for Android is *awesome* and opens up a lot of really cool possibilities.
-Chad
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