In the recent week, we have experienced random switches between wiki-based (MediaWiki:*) and PHP-based message translations on the czech Wikipedia. And because the translations in LanguageCs.php are quite obsolete, those switches are very visible and unpleasant.
So I have two questions: 1. Why do those switches happen? Is it only some transitional problem, or is this going to happen regularly in the future? 2. What could I do to get the LanguageCs.php updated? Should I just send the updated version here? (AFAIK we do not have any developer on the cs: wikipedia.) Maybe someone could just get the Special:Allpages in PHP format and dump them to the PHP file, as those are the most differing entries.
Best regards, Mormegil (a sysop on cs: Wikipedia)
Petr Kadlec wrote:
In the recent week, we have experienced random switches between wiki-based (MediaWiki:*) and PHP-based message translations on the czech Wikipedia. And because the translations in LanguageCs.php are quite obsolete, those switches are very visible and unpleasant.
So I have two questions:
- Why do those switches happen? Is it only some transitional problem,
or is this going to happen regularly in the future?
We're looking into that problem. It's probably an occasional transient problem with tugelacache, the memcached replacement which was recently put into production. Approximately 12 hours ago, Domas implemented a workaround in MediaWiki which should minimise the effect of such errors. So hopefully you won't notice it anymore.
- What could I do to get the LanguageCs.php updated? Should I just
send the updated version here? (AFAIK we do not have any developer on the cs: wikipedia.) Maybe someone could just get the Special:Allpages in PHP format and dump them to the PHP file, as those are the most differing entries.
Submit it either here or to meta at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LanguageCs.php
Note that you can obtain most of the interface text in the appropriate format from:
http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Allmessages&a...
-- Tim Starling
On Oct 10, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
We're looking into that problem. It's probably an occasional transient problem with tugelacache, the memcached replacement which was recently put into production. Approximately 12 hours ago, Domas implemented a workaround in MediaWiki which should minimise the effect of such errors. So hopefully you won't notice it anymore.
This intermittent problem has been around much longer than tugela has existed, hasn't it? Probably the same issue under memcached.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
On Oct 10, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
We're looking into that problem. It's probably an occasional transient problem with tugelacache, the memcached replacement which was recently put into production. Approximately 12 hours ago, Domas implemented a workaround in MediaWiki which should minimise the effect of such errors. So hopefully you won't notice it anymore.
This intermittent problem has been around much longer than tugela has existed, hasn't it? Probably the same issue under memcached.
It seems to be more frequent now. The key expires after 24 hours (I thought it was a week, did someone change it?), and you'd expect to see the message cache stop working for a few seconds each time it expires. I always assumed it was just this problem. But we've had a sudden increase in the number of reports, and the problem persists for longer than a few seconds. Not exactly conclusive, it would be nice to have a theory about why this happens.
-- Tim Starling
Tim Starling ti 2004/10/10 EP 11:26 sia-kong:
Brion Vibber wrote:
This intermittent problem has been around much longer than tugela has existed, hasn't it? Probably the same issue under memcached.
It seems to be more frequent now. The key expires after 24 hours (I thought it was a week, did someone change it?), and you'd expect to see the message cache stop working for a few seconds each time it expires. I always assumed it was just this problem. But we've had a sudden increase in the number of reports, and the problem persists for longer than a few seconds. Not exactly conclusive, it would be nice to have a theory about why this happens.
I can confirm an increase in incidence in the last 3~4 days. This is quite obvious in zh-min-nan:, whose interface has periodically reverted to the default English (possibly causing problems for editors less familiar with that language).
- What could I do to get the LanguageCs.php updated?
Submit it either here or to meta at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LanguageCs.php
OK, I have merged the MediaWiki-based messages into meta:LanguageCs.php (which has been _really_ outdated). So, my current questions are:
1. What is required for this LanguageCs.php to go live? 2. I have not tested the file in MediaWiki (I do not have a local MediaWiki installation), I have tried to run the file in PHP, and fixed the parse errors. Is there anything (except installing MediaWiki and testing the file under it) I could do to test the file for validity? 3. Is there some documentation of wiki features that may be used in the messages? (I mean, when should I use HTML markup and when wiki markup? Are there any limitations of variables like {{SITENAME}} ? ...etc.)
Thanks, Mormegil
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