I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started clicking around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite-cheeked_...
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly onto Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
Pine
You can integrate it in templates.
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 23:01:46 -0700 From: wiki.pine@gmail.com To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikitech-l] Geohack tools
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started clicking around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite-cheeked_...
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly onto Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
Pine _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started clicking around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite-cheeked_...
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly onto Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
There is an ongoing project https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1127/ to integrate maps into MediaWiki; that's probably the best place to catalog the use cases of Geohack and decide which can and need to be supported by the new tools.
Pine, you are right. That list is not very useful, and instead should look something like this:
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Salzburg#Get_around
The bad news is that the tile service it uses is hosted on labs, which means it cannot scale to the regular wikipedia-usage levels. Plus there might be a potential policy problem there - default lab-content loading on every page visit without user's consent.
The good news is that we are very close to launching a full-blown WMF production-hosted tile service, based on the wonderful data from OSM.
See general info and some ideas people have proposed - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps (feel free to add more)
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Gergo Tisza gtisza@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started clicking around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite-cheeked_...
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly onto Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
There is an ongoing project https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1127/ to integrate maps into MediaWiki; that's probably the best place to catalog the use cases of Geohack and decide which can and need to be supported by the new tools. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
It's great to hear that work is progressing on this.
I'd like to see more interactive features on pages, for example live air traffic, ground traffic, and marine traffic data; and weather conditions.
Pine
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrakhan@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine, you are right. That list is not very useful, and instead should look something like this:
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Salzburg#Get_around
The bad news is that the tile service it uses is hosted on labs, which means it cannot scale to the regular wikipedia-usage levels. Plus there might be a potential policy problem there - default lab-content loading on every page visit without user's consent.
The good news is that we are very close to launching a full-blown WMF production-hosted tile service, based on the wonderful data from OSM.
See general info and some ideas people have proposed - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps (feel free to add more)
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Gergo Tisza gtisza@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started
clicking
around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite-cheeked_...
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly
onto
Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
There is an ongoing project https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1127/ to integrate maps into MediaWiki; that's probably the best place to catalog the use cases
of
Geohack and decide which can and need to be supported by the new tools. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Toby, is there any chance that the Reading team (or maybe Multimedia or Discovery?) will incorporate more intractive features or realtime geo-relevant into Wikipedia with information like weather, air and marine traffic, bus and train service (particularly for landmarks with lots of tourists), star and sattelite positions in the sky, socioeconomic data maps, financial statistics, etc?
Thanks,
Pine On Aug 13, 2015 2:22 PM, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
It's great to hear that work is progressing on this.
I'd like to see more interactive features on pages, for example live air traffic, ground traffic, and marine traffic data; and weather conditions.
Pine
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrakhan@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine, you are right. That list is not very useful, and instead should look something like this:
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Salzburg#Get_around
The bad news is that the tile service it uses is hosted on labs, which means it cannot scale to the regular wikipedia-usage levels. Plus there might be a potential policy problem there - default lab-content loading on every page visit without user's consent.
The good news is that we are very close to launching a full-blown WMF production-hosted tile service, based on the wonderful data from OSM.
See general info and some ideas people have proposed - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps (feel free to add more)
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Gergo Tisza gtisza@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started
clicking
around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite-cheeked_...
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly
onto
Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
There is an ongoing project https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1127/ to integrate maps into MediaWiki; that's probably the best place to catalog the use cases
of
Geohack and decide which can and need to be supported by the new tools. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Discovery is currently working on a maps service, which is a first step towards "geo-relevant" information, but the plan is to put that on hold for Q2 (read: the next 3 months) while we identify a clearer use case for it. If you or anyone else are interested in this kind of project (or in the functioning of our search service) I recommend subscribing to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-search
On 18 August 2015 at 06:09, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Toby, is there any chance that the Reading team (or maybe Multimedia or Discovery?) will incorporate more intractive features or realtime geo-relevant into Wikipedia with information like weather, air and marine traffic, bus and train service (particularly for landmarks with lots of tourists), star and sattelite positions in the sky, socioeconomic data maps, financial statistics, etc?
Thanks,
Pine On Aug 13, 2015 2:22 PM, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
It's great to hear that work is progressing on this.
I'd like to see more interactive features on pages, for example live air traffic, ground traffic, and marine traffic data; and weather conditions.
Pine
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrakhan@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine, you are right. That list is not very useful, and instead should look something like this:
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Salzburg#Get_around
The bad news is that the tile service it uses is hosted on labs, which means it cannot scale to the regular wikipedia-usage levels. Plus there might be a potential policy problem there - default lab-content loading on every page visit without user's consent.
The good news is that we are very close to launching a full-blown WMF production-hosted tile service, based on the wonderful data from OSM.
See general info and some ideas people have proposed - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps (feel free to add more)
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Gergo Tisza gtisza@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started
clicking
around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite-cheeked_...
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly
onto
Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
There is an ongoing project https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1127/ to integrate maps into MediaWiki; that's probably the best place to catalog the use cases
of
Geohack and decide which can and need to be supported by the new tools. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
As for realtime, I recommend caution with burdening Wikipedia with even more highly transient information, at least within our current database scheme.
For years Serbian Wikinews has been inundated with weather info, hourly (!), per city (!), and thus managed 3 million revisions with a handful of editors.
All those edits have made the dump explode in size: 6 GB uncompressed for 77k articles with about 2k content on average. Even if disk size doesn't matter, it slows batch processing, and clutters page history.
Erik
-----Original Message----- From: wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Keyes Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 13:52 To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Geohack tools
Discovery is currently working on a maps service, which is a first step towards "geo-relevant" information, but the plan is to put that on hold for Q2 (read: the next 3 months) while we identify a clearer use case for it. If you or anyone else are interested in this kind of project (or in the functioning of our search service) I recommend subscribing to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-search
On 18 August 2015 at 06:09, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Toby, is there any chance that the Reading team (or maybe Multimedia or Discovery?) will incorporate more intractive features or realtime geo-relevant into Wikipedia with information like weather, air and marine traffic, bus and train service (particularly for landmarks with lots of tourists), star and sattelite positions in the sky, socioeconomic data maps, financial statistics, etc?
Thanks,
Pine On Aug 13, 2015 2:22 PM, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
It's great to hear that work is progressing on this.
I'd like to see more interactive features on pages, for example live air traffic, ground traffic, and marine traffic data; and weather conditions.
Pine
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrakhan@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine, you are right. That list is not very useful, and instead should look something like this:
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Salzburg#Get_around
The bad news is that the tile service it uses is hosted on labs, which means it cannot scale to the regular wikipedia-usage levels. Plus there might be a potential policy problem there - default lab-content loading on every page visit without user's consent.
The good news is that we are very close to launching a full-blown WMF production-hosted tile service, based on the wonderful data from OSM.
See general info and some ideas people have proposed - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps (feel free to add more)
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Gergo Tisza gtisza@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started
clicking
around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite- cheeked_Starling_perching_on_a_rock.jpg¶ms=34.610576_N_135.54054 2_E_globe:Earth_class:object_&language=en
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly
onto
Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
There is an ongoing project https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1127/ to integrate maps into MediaWiki; that's probably the best place to catalog the use cases
of
Geohack and decide which can and need to be supported by the new tools. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Interesting about the database situation. I was contemplating something like a gadget that would be embedded on the page but be hosted on Labs. Alternatively, the frequently updated info could be posted to Wikidata for text and Commons for imagery so that information can be efficiently updated across projects and languages.
Pine On Aug 18, 2015 5:26 AM, "Erik Zachte" ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
As for realtime, I recommend caution with burdening Wikipedia with even more highly transient information, at least within our current database scheme.
For years Serbian Wikinews has been inundated with weather info, hourly (!), per city (!), and thus managed 3 million revisions with a handful of editors.
All those edits have made the dump explode in size: 6 GB uncompressed for 77k articles with about 2k content on average. Even if disk size doesn't matter, it slows batch processing, and clutters page history.
Erik
-----Original Message----- From: wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Keyes Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 13:52 To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Geohack tools
Discovery is currently working on a maps service, which is a first step towards "geo-relevant" information, but the plan is to put that on hold for Q2 (read: the next 3 months) while we identify a clearer use case for it. If you or anyone else are interested in this kind of project (or in the functioning of our search service) I recommend subscribing to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-search
On 18 August 2015 at 06:09, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Toby, is there any chance that the Reading team (or maybe Multimedia or Discovery?) will incorporate more intractive features or realtime geo-relevant into Wikipedia with information like weather, air and marine traffic, bus and train service (particularly for landmarks with lots of tourists), star and sattelite positions in the sky, socioeconomic data maps, financial statistics, etc?
Thanks,
Pine On Aug 13, 2015 2:22 PM, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
It's great to hear that work is progressing on this.
I'd like to see more interactive features on pages, for example live air traffic, ground traffic, and marine traffic data; and weather
conditions.
Pine
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrakhan@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine, you are right. That list is not very useful, and instead should look something like this:
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Salzburg#Get_around
The bad news is that the tile service it uses is hosted on labs, which means it cannot scale to the regular wikipedia-usage levels. Plus there might be a potential policy problem there - default lab-content loading on every page visit without user's consent.
The good news is that we are very close to launching a full-blown WMF production-hosted tile service, based on the wonderful data from
OSM.
See general info and some ideas people have proposed - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps (feel free to add more)
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Gergo Tisza gtisza@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started
clicking
around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite- cheeked_Starling_perching_on_a_rock.jpg¶ms=34.610576_N_135.54054 2_E_globe:Earth_class:object_&language=en
Is there any chance of integrating some of these tools more directly
onto
Wikipedia pages, and into mobile web/mobile apps?
There is an ongoing project https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1127/ to integrate maps into MediaWiki; that's probably the best place to catalog the use cases
of
Geohack and decide which can and need to be supported by the new
tools.
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I just now realized how powerful these tools are when I started clicking around.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=File%3AWhite-cheeked_...
The Wikidata nearby map is pretty incredible, so. many. schools. At the same magnification the coordinates popup on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:White-cheeked_Starling_perching_on_a_rock... shows fewer items, I assume it's a subset of enwiki articles with coordinates that are nearby.
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