Hello,
Is there a project for a pda extension of mediawiki? or for small sized screens?
Thanks, Plyd
On 12/28/06, Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com wrote:
Hello,
Is there a project for a pda extension of mediawiki? or for small sized screens?
There's a few out there:
http://palmtops.about.com/od/palmtoppicks/tp/wikipedia_pda.htm
This seems fairly well developed, it's for iPods:
http://encyclopodia.sourceforge.net/en/index.html
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 02:55:52AM +1100, Stephen Bain wrote:
On 12/28/06, Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com wrote:
Is there a project for a pda extension of mediawiki? or for small sized screens?
There's a few out there:
http://palmtops.about.com/od/palmtoppicks/tp/wikipedia_pda.htm
This seems fairly well developed, it's for iPods:
And let me note here, as I so often do, that I read WP on my Blackberry quite frequently, and the combination of page layout and CSS (which my browser ignores) works quite well on that size screen, with the stock Blackberry browser.
So I'm not sure how much extension it can be said actually to need....
Cheers, -- jra
On 12/27/06, Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 02:55:52AM +1100, Stephen Bain wrote:
On 12/28/06, Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com wrote:
Is there a project for a pda extension of mediawiki? or for small sized screens?
There's a few out there:
http://palmtops.about.com/od/palmtoppicks/tp/wikipedia_pda.htm
This seems fairly well developed, it's for iPods:
And let me note here, as I so often do, that I read WP on my Blackberry quite frequently, and the combination of page layout and CSS (which my browser ignores) works quite well on that size screen, with the stock Blackberry browser.
So I'm not sure how much extension it can be said actually to need....
Mine reads css but misplace elements on the page , for example, the left column is shown at bottom and a margin of this size is kept, making the article unreadable, with one word by line. Moreover, lot of data like language lists or toolbox, harmless for a classic screen transform the page in a monster, loosing the reader in thousands of informations.
I'm thinking about a "light interface", with only inportant informations, maybe with one or two other linked pages to be able to do whatever we need, but not in the same page.
On 12/27/06, Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 05:10:49PM +0100, Plyd wrote:
I mean, we have a different page for printing pages, couldn't this be done also for pda?
You wouldn't want to do it that way; if you did, you'd have to click through to it from every page.
Not sure. For example, google, which has a pda special interface, detects the browser and switches automatically to a light interface. imho, it could be done on a mediawiki page, the software detects the browser and shows the right interface.
Plyd
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 05:27:19PM +0100, Plyd wrote:
And let me note here, as I so often do, that I read WP on my Blackberry quite frequently, and the combination of page layout and CSS (which my browser ignores) works quite well on that size screen, with the stock Blackberry browser.
So I'm not sure how much extension it can be said actually to need....
Mine reads css but misplace elements on the page , for example, the left column is shown at bottom and a margin of this size is kept, making the article unreadable, with one word by line. Moreover, lot of data like language lists or toolbox, harmless for a classic screen transform the page in a monster, loosing the reader in thousands of informations.
Force CSS off, and you'll likely be happier.
CSS is almost never a win on a PDA sized screen, anyway.
On 12/27/06, Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 05:10:49PM +0100, Plyd wrote:
I mean, we have a different page for printing pages, couldn't this be done also for pda?
You wouldn't want to do it that way; if you did, you'd have to click through to it from every page.
Not sure. For example, google, which has a pda special interface, detects the browser and switches automatically to a light interface. imho, it could be done on a mediawiki page, the software detects the browser and shows the right interface.
Yes, which is the alternative approach to the "click on a printable page link" like approach you were suggesting.
The problem *there* is that guesses are often wrong, and rarely overridable.
Cheers, -- jra
On 12/27/06, Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
And let me note here, as I so often do, that I read WP on my Blackberry quite frequently, and the combination of page layout and CSS (which my browser ignores) works quite well on that size screen, with the stock Blackberry browser.
So I'm not sure how much extension it can be said actually to need....
Me too on the blackberry.. although it's very frustrating that some of our pages are over the blackberry's maximum page size and it refuses to load the page at all.
On 12/27/06, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/28/06, Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com wrote:
Hello,
Is there a project for a pda extension of mediawiki? or for small sized screens?
There's a few out there:
http://palmtops.about.com/od/palmtoppicks/tp/wikipedia_pda.htm
This seems fairly well developed, it's for iPods:
thanks, I've seen these websites (some of them doesn't work anymore)
is there a reason why there is no small implementation directly in mediawiki to make a wiki accessible since the same adress?
I mean, we have a different page for printing pages, couldn't this be done also for pda?
Plyd
On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 05:10:49PM +0100, Plyd wrote:
I mean, we have a different page for printing pages, couldn't this be done also for pda?
You wouldn't want to do it that way; if you did, you'd have to click through to it from every page.
Cheers, -- jra
On 12/27/06, Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com wrote:
is there a reason why there is no small implementation directly in mediawiki to make a wiki accessible since the same adress?
I mean, we have a different page for printing pages, couldn't this be done also for pda?
Sure. Somebody just has to do it. Preferably someone with access to a bunch of typical PDAs and Internet-enabled cell phones and so on.
On 12/27/06, Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com wrote:
You wouldn't want to do it that way; if you did, you'd have to click through to it from every page.
Actually, you don't. The print stylesheet is used whether or not you click "Printable version". That's just to appease people who assume that they'll get what they see when they print. :)
On 12/27/06, Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com wrote:
Mine reads css but misplace elements on the page , for example, the left column is shown at bottom and a margin of this size is kept, making the article unreadable, with one word by line. Moreover, lot of data like language lists or toolbox, harmless for a classic screen transform the page in a monster, loosing the reader in thousands of informations.
Okay, that's a good first suggestion. The left margin for the main content should be killed. This can be done by just using @media handheld rule. Probably. Unfortunately, when I tried it with Opera's small-screen mode, unpleasant things happened.
Technically, your handheld should not be loading the stylesheet. It's marked explicitly as screen and projection only. It's really not meant for handhelds, by and large. (Opera in small-screen mode does seem to load it, but only specific rules. It guesses that quite well, though. My attempts to improve it resulted in disaster, since it actually did what I said and tried doing the whole thing.)
Not sure. For example, google, which has a pda special interface, detects the browser and switches automatically to a light interface. imho, it could be done on a mediawiki page, the software detects the browser and shows the right interface.
Unfortunately, that's hard to do and hard to maintain.
On 12/28/06, Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com wrote:
thanks, I've seen these websites (some of them doesn't work anymore)
is there a reason why there is no small implementation directly in mediawiki to make a wiki accessible since the same adress?
I mean, we have a different page for printing pages, couldn't this be done also for pda?
If your PDA has internet access then you can change the look of the regular Wikimedia sites by changing your skin. Most people use Monobook because it's the default, but there are others out there, and you can create your own. You can set the skin in your preferences.
Nostalgia should work fairly well on a small screen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant?useskin=nostalgia
It would be possible to develop a skin especially for small screens.
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 09:52:52AM +1100, Stephen Bain wrote:
Nostalgia should work fairly well on a small screen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant?useskin=nostalgia
It would be possible to develop a skin especially for small screens.
Though, as I've noted, merely turning off CSS interpretation seems to work quite nicely... Are there any handheld browsers that a) will interpret CSS in the first place and b) will *not* let you turn that off?
Cheers, -- jra
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Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 09:52:52AM +1100, Stephen Bain wrote:
Nostalgia should work fairly well on a small screen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant?useskin=nostalgia
It would be possible to develop a skin especially for small screens.
Though, as I've noted, merely turning off CSS interpretation seems to work quite nicely... Are there any handheld browsers that a) will interpret CSS in the first place and b) will *not* let you turn that off?
Howdy folks with weird devices:
If you want this stuff to work right on your device, donate one and any necessary subscriptions to the Foundation and we'll test and tweak until we figure it out.
Otherwise we've got no way to test, unless you're willing to work closely with a developer to tweak and test (and report problems later).
If you are so willing, please let me know.
- -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 09:37:54AM -0800, Brion Vibber wrote:
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Though, as I've noted, merely turning off CSS interpretation seems to work quite nicely... Are there any handheld browsers that a) will interpret CSS in the first place and b) will *not* let you turn that off?
Howdy folks with weird devices:
If you want this stuff to work right on your device, donate one and any necessary subscriptions to the Foundation and we'll test and tweak until we figure it out.
Otherwise we've got no way to test, unless you're willing to work closely with a developer to tweak and test (and report problems later).
If you are so willing, please let me know.
I'd be happy to do rendering testing on Mediawiki with the Blackberry (and for that matter, Opera mini) browsers on my 7100i, and am equipped to produce digipix of the results. With some negotiation with friends, I can probably also do tests on a Sidekick (2, I thiny, but maybe 3) and a Treo 650 (Verizon).
Of course, as quoted above, I think the default rendering of WP on my Blackberry is perfectly usable. :-)
Cheers, -- jra
Howdy folks with weird devices:
If you want this stuff to work right on your device, donate one and any necessary subscriptions to the Foundation and we'll test and tweak until we figure it out.
Within the last month, people have donated over a million dollars. If you can't get a decent Pocket PC from that, I don't know what else you need.
Timwi
Timwi schreef:
Howdy folks with weird devices:
If you want this stuff to work right on your device, donate one and any necessary subscriptions to the Foundation and we'll test and tweak until we figure it out.
Within the last month, people have donated over a million dollars. If you can't get a decent Pocket PC from that, I don't know what else you need.
Timwi
Hoi, This is not how budgeting work. There is a budget that requires /more /than a million dollars. Anthere wrote in a recent mail that the WMF is still very much in need of funding. So yes, you can pay for a decent pocket PC when you have a million dollars available. It is not available, the money has been earmarked for other things. Thanks, GerardM
Why don't DIourselves, it seems not very hard.
On 1/16/07, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Timwi schreef:
Howdy folks with weird devices:
If you want this stuff to work right on your device, donate one and any necessary subscriptions to the Foundation and we'll test and tweak until we figure it out.
Within the last month, people have donated over a million dollars. If you can't get a decent Pocket PC from that, I don't know what else you
need.
Timwi
Hoi, This is not how budgeting work. There is a budget that requires /more /than a million dollars. Anthere wrote in a recent mail that the WMF is still very much in need of funding. So yes, you can pay for a decent pocket PC when you have a million dollars available. It is not available, the money has been earmarked for other things. Thanks, GerardM
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