On 5 September 2015 at 19:11, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:
Oliver Keyes wrote:
On the general subject of codes of conduct and
what they bring (or
don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I
recently encountered
http://wp.me/p11Aax-4aq on Twitter - it's an
interesting read and brings up a couple of points definitely worth
thinking about, namely that the intent behind a CoC is not to be the
be-all and end-all of user safety but instead to set a very minimum bound
of what is acceptable.
Am I supposed to know what a manfeeling is? It seems weird to me that the
push (perhaps a movement, who knows) to implement codes of conduct has
become so enmeshed with the ultra-liberal feminist movement. I think there
are people who sympathize with and even support efforts to have codes of
conduct in technical spaces, but who don't want to feel demonized for
being male. There's a dark irony in sites such as Geek Feminism Wiki
feeling the need to prominently answer "Are men welcome here?" in their
FAQ (<http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Geek_Feminism_Wiki_FAQ>).
This isn't to say that there aren't good ideas and good people behind some
of this content, but I can see a lot potential allies to the code of
conduct cause being put off by the militant feminist language and
overeager citations of feminist theory.
It seems weird to me that a conversation about codes of conduct is
being shifted into a discussion of "but the people writing about codes
of conduct, let's debate where they fall on an ideological spectrum".
This thread is not for discussing "militant feminist language" or
"demonizing people for being male", this is about having a code of
conduct, full stop. If you want to start a conversation about
"militant feminism" I'm sure there is a mailing list out there for
that, but it is not this one.
MZMcBride
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