Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

Thank you for raising the discussion! On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:41 PM, This, that and the other < at.light(a)live.com.au&gt; wrote: brief period of downtime as an acceptable tradeoff always thought that one was pretty ugly, and wouldn't same way. On behalf of the be-x-old community, I can ensure that such a rename is really demanded and would find a great support, even if this causes hours or days of downtime. If a formal community discussion on this topic is required, it can definitely be arranged. By the way, back in 2007, be-x-old was already renamed once, from be to be-x-old. As far as I remember, this caused periods of downtime and read-only, however eventually all the links, interwikis and templates were corrected manually or semi-automatically, so this added some work but was not a big problem back then. Cheers, zedlik On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:41 PM, This, that and the other < at.light(a)live.com.au&gt; wrote: > Thanks for bringing this up, Amir. > > I would point out that since there are such a lot of wikis waiting to be > renamed, there is an opportunity for economy of scale here. If all the > departments/people you list were able to set aside a couple of days to sit > down together and rename the 15+ wikis waiting to be renamed, having > figured out a process and renamed a trial wiki beforehand, I think it could > be made worthwhile. > > brief period of downtime as an acceptable tradeoff for having their domain > name corrected. Especially "be-x-old", I've always thought that one was > pretty ugly, and wouldn't be surprised if the Taraškievica Belarusian > Wikipedia community felt the same way. > > I agree that getting community engagement/community liaisons involved and > talking with relevant developers/ops folks and the affected editing > communities would be a good next step. > > TTO > > (Sorry for not replying inline: my news client is pretty dumb, as you can > probably guess from the header line below.) > > -- > "Jaime Crespo" wrote in message news:CABaSSrL0hm1T9sHd-qh1npK8J-OPUPttBr6_ > muDAN3C5bWu25Q(a)mail.gmail.com... > > > (this is not an official response, just my opinion after some research on > the topic) > > Due to internal (and growing) complexity of the mediawiki software, and WMF > installation (regarding numerous plugins and services/servers), this is a > non trivial task. It also involves many moving pieces and many people- > network admins (dns), general operations (load control/downtime), dbas > (import/export), services, deployment engineers and developers (mediawiki > configuration changes, patches). > > What's worse, is that it would almost certainly create downtime for the > wikis involved (not being able to edit) -specially given that it is not a > common operation-, and some of them are smaller communities, and I would be > worried be to annoy or discourage editing on those wikis (when we want the > opposite!). > > It would be great to have someone in contact with the community so that we > can identify which sites have a great consensus about renaming the wiki, > and are perfectly informed about the potential problems and still are ok to > go forward. Maybe someone in Community engagement can evaluate risks vs. > return? > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Antoine Musso &lt;hashar+wmf(a)free.fr&gt; wrote: > > Le 26/08/2015 07:20, Amir E. Aharoni a écrit : >> > In the past when requests to rename such domains were raised, the usual >> > replies were along the lines of "it's impossible" or "it's not worth the >> > technical effort", but I don't know the details. >> > >> > Is this still correct in 2015? >> >> As pointed out: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T21986 >> >> For what it is worth, in 2011 JeLuF wrote a list of actions needed to >> rename a wiki. It is outdated nowadays but that is sufficient to state >> renaming a wiki is a non-trivial task: >> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Rename_a_wiki >> >> It would surely consume a lot of engineering time to come up with a >> proper migration plan and actually conduct them. I am not sure it is >> worth the time and money unfortunately. >> >> -- >> Antoine "hashar" Musso >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> > > > -- > Jaime Crespo > <http://wikimedia.org> > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >