Sincerely, I'm still a little unclear what
phrasing you object to here. Just
to be perfectly clear, it's the use of the word "mess," right? If so, I
can
make note not to use that word going forward on this list.
It may be a regional thing, but where I'm from, when a lot of things get
broken, it's considered a mess. In this case, a lot of links were broken, so
I described the situation as a mess. If there are better words to use to
describe the situation or words you'd prefer I use, please let me know.
It's not the words. It's the phrasing, tone, and implication behind
the statement. It's basically shaming someone for making a mistake and
telling them "you need to fix this. now."
You realize
that Daniel is the only person who's deleted posts that
has even given the slightest care to the fact that the links break,
right? This happens all the time and until today we just broke the
links.
I don't believe this is true. As Guillaume said in the opening post, these
links have been stable for years. Can you provide links or some other kind
of evidence that the archive links breaking in this way is a regular
occurrence? I know of one other time that this has happened, but you're
suggesting that it happens frequently. I don't believe there is any evidence
to support this claim.
I really don't feel like going back and searching for the other cases.
It's happened quite a few times in the past on multiple mailing lists.
This thread is
about the culture of aggressive behavior that we breed
and accept. I'm tired of accepting it.
Can you elaborate on this?
The tone of most of our mailing lists is hostile. It discourages new
contributors, it encourages staff to quit, and it encourages
volunteers to stop contributing. There's been a few threads just this
week that have been overly hostile.
Why does this
matter so much? This is like the 27637862487 time that
links have been broken due to the exact same action. It isn't the end
of the world. It would be ideal if it was repaired, but it's not a
dire emergency.
It matters because mailing lists are _hugely important_ to the Wikimedia
community and its operations. And again, I don't believe this has happened a
number of times previously. I know of it happening once before.
The links breaking sucks, but you're absolutely right that it isn't the end
of the world (and I don't think anyone has suggested it is). To me, the
apparent corruption of the archives is a much higher priority issue.
As I asked previously, is this a new occurrence? I believe it was
already corrupted from the last few times this has occurred.
This is definitely a problem. It's something we should try to fix now,
and something we should try to avoid in the future. It's great that
you pointed out the problem. I'd really prefer that you point out
problems in such a way that isn't hostile, though.
- Ryan