On 09/08/15 15:50, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez wrote:
No, stop and re-read Matt's email assuming good faith. It doesn't "come off with the wrong connotation" or "It sounds more like "you've already decided to do this"".
***We're in the process of*** developing a code of conduct... ...***This will be*** binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-relatedtechnical spaces ...
***Please participate*** athttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft . ***Suggestions are welcome*** here or at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Dra... .
You say "You should naturally expect people to speak out against something when you make it sound like their opinion has already been decided upon.", and that's just justifying unjustifiable negative behaviour. Nobody has made it sound as if any opinion has been decided. Read the first email again.
Matt's email is a well intentioned email wanting to get people involved so that we can all participate in creating a great CoC, so lets try and be helpful.
I fully support the effort, thanks folks for kickstarting it.
Unfortunately, you're both right in this case.
I can see where Matt is coming from, and his words are, after reading your comment, indeed consistent with that intention.
But, while I can only give myself as an example, that's not how I think it reads to someone who was not already familiar with the situation -- my first impression on reading those words was the same as Tyler's. It might help if Matt followed up with another email to make it clear that the "we thought this might be a good idea and want everybody else's input" interpretation is the one intended.
Neil
On Aug 9, 2015 8:51 AM, "Tyler Romeo" tylerromeo@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Moriel Schottlender moriel@gmail.com wrote:
An I missing something?
When an employee of the WMF starts a new topic on the mailing list with the words "we are" and "binding", it comes off with the wrong connotation, especially considering the "we" was clarified to mean the "Wikimedia technical community".
It sounds more like "you've already decided to do this" rather than "we thought this might be a good idea and want everybody else's input". You should naturally expect people to speak out against something when you make it sound like their opinion has already been decided upon.
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