On 09/08/15 15:50, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez wrote:
No, stop and re-read Matt's email assuming good
faith. It doesn't "come off
with the wrong connotation" or "It sounds more like "you've already
decided
to do this"".
***We're in the process of*** developing a code of conduct...
...***This will be*** binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related
technical spaces ...
***Please participate*** at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft .
***Suggestions are welcome*** here or at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Dr…
.
You say "You
should naturally expect people to speak out against something when you make
it sound like their opinion has already been decided upon.", and that's
just justifying unjustifiable negative behaviour. Nobody has made it sound
as if any opinion has been decided. Read the first email again.
Matt's email is a well intentioned email wanting to get people involved so
that we can all participate in creating a great CoC, so lets try and be
helpful.
I fully support the effort, thanks folks for kickstarting it.
Unfortunately, you're both right in this case.
I can see where Matt is coming from, and his words are, after reading
your comment, indeed consistent with that intention.
But, while I can only give myself as an example, that's not how I think
it reads to someone who was not already familiar with the situation --
my first impression on reading those words was the same as Tyler's. It
might help if Matt followed up with another email to make it clear that
the "we thought this might be a good idea and want everybody else's
input" interpretation is the one intended.
Neil
On Aug 9, 2015 8:51 AM, "Tyler Romeo"
<tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Moriel
Schottlender <moriel(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
An I missing something?
When an employee of the WMF starts a new topic on the mailing list with the
words "we are" and "binding", it comes off with the wrong
connotation,
especially considering the "we" was clarified to mean the "Wikimedia
technical community".
It sounds more like "you've already decided to do this" rather than
"we
thought this might be a good idea and want everybody else's input". You
should naturally expect people to speak out against something when you make
it sound like their opinion has already been decided upon.
*-- *
*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
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