Also, the Tech team at the Foundation is investing in Technical Engagement team who I hope will be (amongst other things) become advocates for the tech debt that affects our communities.
Best regards,
Victoria
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On Mar 9, 2019, at 6:28 PM, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote:
Regarding:
My proposal is to begin the discussion here: how can we better relay issues that are more important to communities than new features? How can we have a "community whishlist for bugs"?
Well fundamentally it starts with making a list.
This is basically a lobbying discussion right. People think WMF should do more of X. Lobbying discussions are more successful the more specific they are. Having a list of the top 20 worse bugs is something you could convince people to do something about. Even something like /WMF spends too much time on new features and not enough time on maintenance/bug fixing/, is something you could convince people to change, if you for example knew how much time WMF currently spends on bug fixing, and you have an idea of how much time you think they should be spending. Even if management doesn't agree with your proposal, it would at least be specific enough to debate.
When these discussions start from vague places, like there's too many bugs, is when they go nowhere. Even if WMF stopped everything else it was doing, and worked solely on bugs, I doubt they would fix every bug in existence. (We can't all be TeX!), and attempting to do that would be a bad idea.
Change happens when stuff is measurable, and people can work towards a goal. Failing that, change happens when people can be held accountable. Objective measures are needed.
-- Brian
On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:31 PM Strainu strainu10@gmail.com wrote:
Dan,
Thank you for your response. I appreciate far more someone disagreeing with me than someone ignoring me :)
Let me start with a simple question, to put the references to wmf into context. You keep talking below about volunteer developers and how they can take over any project. While that's true, how many fully-volunteer teams are there? How does that number compare to the number of wmf teams? Am I right to assume the ratio is hugely in favor of wmf teams? Note: teams, not developers, since decisions on project management are usually done at team level.
Pe sâmbătă, 9 martie 2019, Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com a scris:
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 11:26, Strainu strainu10@gmail.com wrote:
How many successful commercial projects leave customer iss