Erik Moeller a écrit:
Anthere-
This is the
english policy. Is valid on the english wikipedia. Was
discussed and approved by english users.
Actually, I don't think it was discussed and approved in a very open
process.
I do not think either
It would have been activated for the non-English Wikipedias as
well if not for your .. constant constructive
criticism.
Thank god I was there to avoid decisions being taken hastily for other
people, without asking them their opinion :-)
How do you know
that this exact policy (sysops *not* allowed to ban
signed-in users) is (will be) the one adopted by other wikipedias when
other part of the banning policy are already different in other wikipedias ?
Certainly auto-reverting like you are practicing now can always be a fall-
back. But I believe most vandals will be deterred by a quick ban, and I
don't see how it can be harmful.
For pure vandalism, no, I suppose it can't be harmful.
I suspect it is potentially more risky on wikipedias where there are few
editors, and only one sysop though.
Fortunately, thanks to my constructive criticism perhaps, a blocking log
was quickly set.
But some of the
wikipedias do not even have sysops !
That's why we need better language coordination over a single mailing
list, so that those pedias which do need sysops can quickly bring this to
general attention. I'm not even subscribed to intwiki-l.
Nod.
But...if I agree that thanks to a single mailing list, an isolated
international can easily reach help, the other way is not working so
well. A message of him is more likely to get drown is all the other
messages.
But in any cases, I support dissolution of the international mailing list.
Which
limitations are you talking about ? The limitations that only
Jimbo has the right to ban loggued in users ? Sorry, too late. We
outgrew that limitation :-)
right vs. ability
ok, that other limitation. True.
That is why I mentionned the &bot=1.
It is even more frustrating for a vandal I guess, to see that his vandal
contribution entirely disappear.
Nod. But
announcement just on the technical list, or even on wikipedia
list is not enough. A *very* small number of international editors read
them.
A wiki-based digest service would surely be helpful. If you want to write
summaries of the mailing list for the wikis, you have my full support.
Failing that, the mailing list is the place where policy decisions like
that are made.
I think that my suggestion to do as you did the other time (which was to
add a message to all village pumps, even in english, with a link to the
announcement) was more positive than this comment.
Ok, here are the problems
1) how to warn people of all wikipedias that there is an important
discussion cooking
here, how to suggest people to decide whether they want the blocking
feature. I guess it will be little controversial, but in other cases,
such as suggesting people to discuss putting ads on the site is perhaps more
2) how to discuss it at all.
2) I have no idea, except for going on to do it only in english, here,
or on meta.
for 1) we tried many things. They all more or less failed. Why ?
*Because on some wikipedias, there is no one to ensure the travelling of
the information (no one is informed, because no one follow the mailing
list very well)
*Because it takes time to report accurately information, the servers are
slow (that is the tech limitations)
*Because that requires that at least one person understand english well
enough
*Because when people are not interested by a topic, they just do not
feel like reporting it
As a result, even if some informations are reported back and fro
(Tarquin doing a nice job for that :-)), I think it is not the case on
most wikipedias.
So, where is the central place on many wikipedias, where we can be sure
one posting is read by many people ? The pump (if the pump exists, but
the concept being great, it is likely the pump will ultimately be in all
wikipedias).
Could it be possible that somehow a feature is developped, that allow
ONE person to send a unique message (likely in english) on all pumps, in
one click ?
That way, we could automatically, in one click, post a message saying
"Hello. A new feature is currently under discussion, which would allow
to specifically block a user from editing a specific page (a super
protection). The discussion is occuring there : link".
What do you think ?
(apart from "yes, you can develop it if you feel like it" :-))
Regards,
Erik
De même.