I stumbled across the recent discussion on this list regarding the
TaxAlmanac Discussion Forum and thought I'd join in and participate in the
discussion. My name is Tim Doyle, and I am the moderator for the TaxAlmanac
wiki (
http://www.taxalmanac.org), and also responsible for driving the
effort to launch our discussion forums. Our forum was launched mid-November
last year and has been a great success for us. Our customers have found it
much easier to use than the standard talk pages. Contributions to the site
increased dramatically shortly after we launched these forums. Let me take a
stab at answering some of the comments from the earlier discussion thread:
Erik Moeller wrote:
I just saw that Tax Almanac, a MediaWiki customized by
Intuit
software, has a very interesting integrated discussion system:
http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Discussion_Forum_Index
It uses normal wiki pages in the "Discussion:" namespace to store the
threads, and stores the comments themselves as parametrized templates
within these pages. But the user interface looks like any ordinary
bulletin board.
I don't see any links to source code and don't expect that it is
available. Has someone talked to them about whether they'd be willing
to open source it already?
We wanted our discussion forum to be built into / based on standard
MediaWiki pages, which allows for links to other articles, enables searches,
and also encourages users to become familiar with the wiki in general. We
created a namespace specifically for these discussions, and added categories
to the topic pages so that they could be segmented into different discussion
categories. This approach allows us to easily move a discussion from one
category to another, or to add it to multiple categories.
We used a set of templates on the site to define what is added to new topics
or when other users reply. These refer to other templates which then work
with a modified monobook.css to define how the pages actually look.
phil.boswell at gmail wrote:
They seem to be using an extension to provide the
"most recent
discussions"
view, sourced from a particular namespace JOINed with
a given category.
That is correct. We wrote another extension which returns a current list of
articles within a specified namespace, and optionally filtered on a given
category. We can also pass in the number of items to return, the name of a
template to apply to the results to customize the look of the results, etc.
ecable at avxw wrote:
I contacted the person who developed that system, may
be able to get
the source code and start working on it; perhaps I can even get him
involved in this list! (-;
You succeeded. Regarding the source code, it is not currently available, but
we are currently reviewing if we should do this. I will keep you informed.
We've been approached by Jimmy on this issue, so you can be assured that we
are taking the requests seriously.
timwi at gmx wrote:
That is indeed interesting; however from a software
engineering point of
view it is extremely hacky and probably hard to maintain. I strongly
recommend against using this in official MediaWiki.
I'm not sure why you consider our approach a 'hack' or hard to maintain.
Could you explain?
Platonides at gmail wrote:
They use special extensions Special:Newthread (not
listed at specialpages)
and probably the edit form is tweaked too.
They format it through several templates:
{{ForumThreadHeading|title|title}}
{{ForumNewPost|UserID=Foo|Date=29 February 2006|Text= .......}}
{{ForumReplyPost|UserID=Joe|Date=30 February 2006|Text=....}}
<recentpages>
namespace=Discussion
|category=User_Introductions
|limit=50
|template=DiscussionsOnIndex
|top=sticky
</recentpages>
I guess they do it with the templates. Don't know wat would happen if we
started writeng there invalid wiki syntax and closing the template mark.
;)
Platonides got it basically correct. As far as how we protect against
incorrect syntax, any characters, such as "}" or "|" which might
adversely
affect the discussion posts are converted to HTML entities before they are
written to the page. Of course users could edit the page using the standard
wiki editing mechanism, but we have not found this to be a problem. On the
few occasions where someone has made a mistake here, they typically fix it
very quickly. Yes, it is possible for someone to vandalize the discussions
in this way, but we would deal with that as we would with any other type of
vandalism.
I'd be very interested to hear more from the community, and I look forward
to participating in the discussions!
Thank you,
Tim Doyle