On 12/11/15 03:39, S Page wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Isarra Yos
<zhorishna(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/11/15 02:06, S Page wrote:
I meant the on-wiki three-part skinning thing
that's been
around for a while and introduces in a nutshell as "This page is part 1 of
a three-part tutorial".
Oh, I want to murder that. Have I mentioned that? I think I have, but if I
haven't, I'D LIKE TO MURDER THAT. It doesn't even say how to do the
important bits, while focussing on bits nobody in their right mind will
ever even touch, with no real structure or sensible organisation. It's
ludicrous.
I spent two hours adding a screenshot for the elements mentioned in
Skinning Part 1 [1]. Given that part 1 spends so much time describing
elements of a page, a picture seemed worth 1000 words. Is your thesis that
anyone who starts from the Example skin already has these elements and any
skin designer knows the ins and outs of wiki pages, so they don't need to
be mentioned? (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Isarra/How_to_make_a_motherfucking_skin
doesn't mention actions, personal tools, the page subheader, etc.) I'm
dubious. Even if one had a set of test pages that exercise all these
elements, saying what they are seems useful.
[1]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning_Part_1
Yeah, sorry. What I mean to say in particular is the layout as is needs
to go - what I'm thinking at this point is ideally we'd have a barebones
just-some-steps thing on top, with subpages of specific details and
stuff clearly linked from there. A major problem I see with
Manual:Skinning right now is it is incredibly overwhelming, with no
indication which parts are actually important (in part because which
parts are actually important has also changed so much recently). Someone
thinking to make a skin can easily look at it and just balk right there,
when really the steps they need to follow are much more straight
forward, and they only need to worry about some of this anyway.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Isarra/How_to_make_a_skin is based
much more on a visual approach, where ideally folks will be looking at
the page and then just styling whatever they see - including all these
things, which appear there on the page. Why list all the things when
they're right there on the page (though some is probably a good idea
just as an example, with the link to the full list), when a lot of them
don't even need any styling, when they're all actually built-in now?
Because yes, people should definitely be starting from the example skin.
That's what it's for. Ideally with the whole autogenerated alreadynamed
skin downloads.
But of course just looking at the actual tutorial, people can't actually
see the skin, so it really would also need illustrations to really pull
that off anyway.
Eh.