On 12/11/15 03:39, S Page wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/11/15 02:06, S Page wrote:
I meant the on-wiki three-part skinning thing that's been around for a while and introduces in a nutshell as "This page is part 1 of a three-part tutorial".
Oh, I want to murder that. Have I mentioned that? I think I have, but if I haven't, I'D LIKE TO MURDER THAT. It doesn't even say how to do the important bits, while focussing on bits nobody in their right mind will ever even touch, with no real structure or sensible organisation. It's ludicrous.
I spent two hours adding a screenshot for the elements mentioned in Skinning Part 1 [1]. Given that part 1 spends so much time describing elements of a page, a picture seemed worth 1000 words. Is your thesis that anyone who starts from the Example skin already has these elements and any skin designer knows the ins and outs of wiki pages, so they don't need to be mentioned? ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Isarra/How_to_make_a_motherfucking_skin doesn't mention actions, personal tools, the page subheader, etc.) I'm dubious. Even if one had a set of test pages that exercise all these elements, saying what they are seems useful.
Yeah, sorry. What I mean to say in particular is the layout as is needs to go - what I'm thinking at this point is ideally we'd have a barebones just-some-steps thing on top, with subpages of specific details and stuff clearly linked from there. A major problem I see with Manual:Skinning right now is it is incredibly overwhelming, with no indication which parts are actually important (in part because which parts are actually important has also changed so much recently). Someone thinking to make a skin can easily look at it and just balk right there, when really the steps they need to follow are much more straight forward, and they only need to worry about some of this anyway.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Isarra/How_to_make_a_skin is based much more on a visual approach, where ideally folks will be looking at the page and then just styling whatever they see - including all these things, which appear there on the page. Why list all the things when they're right there on the page (though some is probably a good idea just as an example, with the link to the full list), when a lot of them don't even need any styling, when they're all actually built-in now? Because yes, people should definitely be starting from the example skin. That's what it's for. Ideally with the whole autogenerated alreadynamed skin downloads.
But of course just looking at the actual tutorial, people can't actually see the skin, so it really would also need illustrations to really pull that off anyway.
Eh.