oHi everybody,
I don't really know if this list is the right place to start the
discussion, but I'll force my luck.
We have a usecase in Wikidata for property proposals where we use templates
to internationalize Property Proposals
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/
Wikidata is a central place for community, like commons, and it's important
for this place to make this place friendly for non english-speaker. Amongst
other problems it's a blocker for some Wikipedians, or it does not help at
least, to contribute or discuss in a different language than their home
language.
Discussions in Wikidata can lead to important or technical decisions, so
this is more important than say, in commons to handle correctly languages.
If we sum-up the stuffs we have to di this, we mainly have and use:
* The translate extension
* Ad-hoc template
The translate extension works, but it needs some administration to be
functional and this is not really adapted because to heavy for frenquently
updated pages like property proposals. It also requires interventions in
the initial page like wikitext annotations, and this unfortunately can be a
community problem - The translation of
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Taxonomy for
example does not exists because, apparently, one of the main contributors
thinks it complicates the editions of the project page and reverted the
attempts to prepare the page for translation.
Ad-hoc templates like
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:TranslateThis
are used to translate the property proposals atm. The actual problem that
pushed me to write this mail is related to this :
* each property proposal as its own section in the page
* it's convenient for discussions to point to a section in a link by using
the section name
But ... the titles are translated using translate this, which make the
title section not stable and can then break the links, make the histories
unreadable ... so there is (I think) an anchor added by the template. But
this make the history unreadable.
To address this problem Yair Rand proposed an ad-how hacky gadget to have a
cleaner history :
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Tools#Gadget_proposal:_User:Yai…
The subsequent discussion lead me there : Maybe Flow could be of some help
: its section ids are stable, but ... again we can't use template in Flow
titles.
So my question would be : I understood the Flow team switched to a more
"Workflow oriented" orientation. Where can we contact you/them to discuss
the needs like this one ? Can we be sure translations problematics will be
took into account in this Flow follos-up ?
Cheers, Tom