Thank you for that input! I'll send an e-mail to him and check that.
I'm lot more familiar with Commons and the community there, than with software developing part. I've been leading projects Minority Translate http://translate.keeleleek.ee and WikiComment http://wikicomment.ut.ee/, but I'm not a programmer myself and I do have very-very limited knowledge of what is happening in that field here. Commons really needs that kind of stuff and the lack of it is rather depressing. This idea about image ranking that way is itself rather interesting. I've just organized European_Science_Photo_Competition in Commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:European_Science_Photo_Competition_2015 and I could easily imagine how that could be used to rank incoming images there (or just think of POTY, that should soon start). So there would definitely be practical uses for that. It just needs to offer specific topics.
So. Are there any more comments? :) I still need a topic for that student. I think it would be a loss for us, if we could not utilize this free workforce offered to us.
Ivo
2016-02-05 15:16 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com:
There is some work towards in browser image editing (see https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/multimedia/2015-December/001219.html ) but im not sure what the status of that is. In the past there was also some work around Extension:SVGEdit, but that seems to have died
Gamification at commons may be interesting. There are lots of images that need their licenses reviewed, need categories added, etc. However getting user requirements for this might be tricky. The commons community can be very hostile if they perceive a product to not meet user requriements, so one has to be careful and be sure to consult the community every step of the way.
Even just a more immersive interface for reviewing images might be useful.
Once upon a time i tried to make a game out of ranking images ( https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/whichisbetter/index.php?title=Main_Page ), but that went nowhere. In retrospect, image ranking isn't an activity that people were already doing, so it was a poor choice for gamification. I think something involving reviewing images might get a lot more traction.
-- -bawolff
On Thursday, February 4, 2016, Ivo Kruusamägi ivo.kruusamagi@gmail.com wrote:
So, some questions:
- how important could that in-wiki image editing capability be?
- has anything been done so far?
I'd like to find some topic suitable for university student to work on.
So
here it is: free workforce for wiki. Act now the get that! Offer some topics. PHP related tasks preferred.
Ivo
2016-02-04 14:20 GMT+02:00 Ivo Kruusamägi ivo.kruusamagi@gmail.com:
OK, this Graph extension seems rather advanced and even though not
exactly
what I had in mind, somewhat similar. So may I conclude it would be pointless to go into that direction? Or are there some things, that may need someone to work with them? Like (making random example): building
very
simple Visual Editor add-on to enable fast creation of some more simple graphs (like pie charts from the enormous variety of possibilities http://www.datavizcatalogue.com/index.html)?
Could I get more information about need for image editors? *I'd like to find something that might be suitable topic for bachelor thesis* and vandering around alone inside the topic not yet known to me may not
prove
to be fruitful.
As for this Commons topic. Yes, something similar to Wikidata Game, but directed towards Commons and not Wikidata. More in line with Estonian
sites
Ajapaik http://ajapaik.ee/?page=1 (for adding geolocation information to old images), sift.pics (for determining image types) and postkaart.ajapaik.ee (for digitalizing text in old postcards).
Ivo
2016-02-04 5:00 GMT+02:00 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:
Ivo Kruusamägi wrote:
What I'd like to see is some development, that would make it possible
for
user to create visualizations inside MediaWiki. Something so easy that
a
child could do that. Like this https://infogr.am/. Workflow
example:
user selects sth like Create Data Visualization, 2) has some
selections
about cart type, colors, etc, 3) place to write down text (title,
axes,
description) and 4) a table to fill in with data (values + their text labels). That could then be saved as one revision. After that every
other
user could edit this graph with the same selections and data tables
just
like users edit articles and edit history is saved and easy to
compare.
Image files like this https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilt:VikiArtiklitearv.jpg or that <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tree_map_exports_2010_Estonia.svg
are ridiculous and fixes like that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Pie_chart are not that
flexible,
pretty and easy to use as what we need. So lets move forward.
Are you familiar with the "Graph" MediaWiki extension? Here's a demo: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Graph/Demo. This MediaWiki extension is deployed to Wikimedia wikis, including all the Wikipedias.
There are plenty of GPL licensed solutions that could be integrated
with
MediaWiki. But I can't be only one thinking about this.
You're not. :-)
So what should I know about that topic so that this work could really
be
useful? I.e. how to avoid reinventing the wheel (like building
something
already in development) and how to be sure that it could be easily incorporated later? Who would be the perfect people to talk about this topic?
This mailing list is great for general discussion. Or we have a Phabricator installation at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ where
we
track bugs and feature requests. You can search around for Phabricator Maniphest task related to vectorized and rasterized image editors, such
as
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39732. You're welcome to discuss
on
those tasks. Integrating a decent SVG editor and a decent PNG/JPG/GIF editor would be amazing!
P.S: I also have some development plans for a web platform that will
help
to gamify organizing media files in Wikimedia Commons (coordinates, categories, descriptions, quality assessment, etc). Sort like adding
an
additional data layer and when everything works fine then migrating
that
information into Commons. Any great ideas there as well? (not so great ideas could be sent to list :P )
Sure. Maybe poke around https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/ if
you
haven't already? It sounds similar to what you want to do.
MZMcBride
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