Thank you for that input! I'll send an e-mail to him and check that.
I'm lot more familiar with Commons and the community there, than with
software developing part. I've been leading projects Minority Translate
<http://translate.keeleleek.ee> and WikiComment <http://wikicomment.ut.ee/>,
but I'm not a programmer myself and I do have very-very limited knowledge
of what is happening in that field here. Commons really needs that kind of
stuff and the lack of it is rather depressing. This idea about image
ranking that way is itself rather interesting. I've just organized
European_Science_Photo_Competition
in Commons
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:European_Science_Photo_Competition_2015>
and
I could easily imagine how that could be used to rank incoming images there
(or just think of POTY, that should soon start). So there would definitely
be practical uses for that. It just needs to offer specific topics.
So. Are there any more comments? :) I still need a topic for that student.
I think it would be a loss for us, if we could not utilize this free
workforce offered to us.
Ivo
2016-02-05 15:16 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com>om>:
There is some work towards in browser image editing
(see
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/multimedia/2015-December/001219.html
)
but im not sure what the status of that is. In the past there was also some
work around Extension:SVGEdit, but that seems to have died
Gamification at commons may be interesting. There are lots of images that
need their licenses reviewed, need categories added, etc. However getting
user requirements for this might be tricky. The commons community can be
very hostile if they perceive a product to not meet user requriements, so
one has to be careful and be sure to consult the community every step of
the way.
Even just a more immersive interface for reviewing images might be useful.
Once upon a time i tried to make a game out of ranking images (
https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/whichisbetter/index.php?title=Main_Page
), but that went nowhere. In retrospect, image ranking isn't an activity
that people were already doing, so it was a poor choice for gamification. I
think something involving reviewing images might get a lot more traction.
--
-bawolff
On Thursday, February 4, 2016, Ivo Kruusamägi <ivo.kruusamagi(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
So, some questions:
* how important could that in-wiki image editing capability be?
* has anything been done so far?
I'd like to find some topic suitable for university student to work on.
So
here it is: free workforce for wiki. Act now the
get that! Offer some
topics. PHP related tasks preferred.
Ivo
2016-02-04 14:20 GMT+02:00 Ivo Kruusamägi <ivo.kruusamagi(a)gmail.com>om>:
> OK, this Graph extension seems rather advanced and even though not
exactly
> what I had in mind, somewhat similar. So may
I conclude it would be
> pointless to go into that direction? Or are there some things, that may
> need someone to work with them? Like (making random example): building
very
> simple Visual Editor add-on to enable fast
creation of some more simple
> graphs (like pie charts from the enormous variety of possibilities
> <http://www.datavizcatalogue.com/index.html>)?
>
> Could I get more information about need for image editors? *I'd like to
> find something that might be suitable topic for bachelor thesis* and
> vandering around alone inside the topic not yet known to me may not
prove
> to be fruitful.
>
> As for this Commons topic. Yes, something similar to Wikidata Game, but
> directed towards Commons and not Wikidata. More in line with Estonian
sites
> Ajapaik <http://ajapaik.ee/?page=1>
(for adding geolocation information
> to old images), sift.pics (for determining image types) and
> postkaart.ajapaik.ee (for digitalizing text in old postcards).
>
> Ivo
>
> 2016-02-04 5:00 GMT+02:00 MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com>om>:
>
>> Ivo Kruusamägi wrote:
>> >What I'd like to see is some development, that would make it possible
for
>> >user to create visualizations inside
MediaWiki. Something so easy that
a
>> >child could do that. Like this
<https://infogr.am/>. Workflow
example:
>> 1)
>> >user selects sth like Create Data Visualization, 2) has some
selections
>> >about cart type, colors, etc, 3)
place to write down text (title,
axes,
>> >description) and 4) a table to fill
in with data (values + their text
>> >labels). That could then be saved as one revision. After that every
other
>> >user could edit this graph with the
same selections and data tables
just
>> >like users edit articles and edit
history is saved and easy to
compare.
>> >
>> >Image files like this
>> ><https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilt:VikiArtiklitearv.jpg> or that
>> ><
>>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tree_map_exports_2010_Estonia.svg
>> > are ridiculous and fixes like that
>> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Pie_chart> are not that
>> flexible,
>> >pretty and easy to use as what we need. So lets move forward.
>>
>> Are you familiar with the "Graph" MediaWiki extension? Here's a
demo:
>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Graph/Demo>. This MediaWiki
>> extension is deployed to Wikimedia wikis, including all the Wikipedias.
>>
>> >There are plenty of GPL licensed solutions that could be integrated
with
>> >MediaWiki. But I can't be only
one thinking about this.
>>
>> You're not. :-)
>>
>> >So what should I know about that topic so that this work could really
be
>> >useful? I.e. how to avoid reinventing
the wheel (like building
something
>> >already in development) and how to be
sure that it could be easily
>> >incorporated later? Who would be the perfect people to talk about this
>> >topic?
>>
>> This mailing list is great for general discussion. Or we have a
>> Phabricator installation at <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/> where
we
>> track bugs and feature requests. You can
search around for Phabricator
>> Maniphest task related to vectorized and rasterized image editors, such
as
>>
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39732>. You're welcome to discuss
on
>> those tasks. Integrating a decent SVG
editor and a decent PNG/JPG/GIF
>> editor would be amazing!
>>
>> >P.S: I also have some development plans for a web platform that will
help
>> >to gamify organizing media files in
Wikimedia Commons (coordinates,
>> >categories, descriptions, quality assessment, etc). Sort like adding
an
>> >additional data layer and when
everything works fine then migrating
that
>> >information into Commons. Any great
ideas there as well? (not so great
>> >ideas could be sent to list :P )
>>
>> Sure. Maybe poke around <https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/> if
you
haven't already? It sounds similar to what you
want to do.
MZMcBride
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