--- Erik Moeller erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
Anthere-
Recently, a new editor (a french language teacher)
got
on the french wiki. He insists on using these unbreakable spaces.
I don't think that's a good idea. It only makes pages harder to edit because of the ugly HTML entities.
I know.
This is also why I remove the div tag after he used it for the second time on the same day (the first being on *my* page)
And why I don't like the anchors he is putting everywhere. Since most of his articles are very long (but very good and interesting as well), he puts some anchors in the text, so links from other articles may lead to the good paragraph in the very meaty one.
All this is good, but I dare not (and he wishes me not to) edit article such as the one on greek religion to avoid messing with the anchors.
This is very unwiki ihmo,
but when I protest, he says I am not the boss and this is only *my* opinion, and that I am forcing my desire of simplicity upon others, to the detriment of quality articles, which may be long, with sankrit or greek or whatever characters, and anchors, and non-breakable spaces, and div spaces :-((((
http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Th%E9_chinois&action=edit
This one is a nightmare to me. I have no idea what other people see here, but as for myself, it is scarry
And since other editors either don't say anything or push the use of anchors, complicated html codes, fancy small bars, div tags and such, who am I to say anything all alone ???
This desolate me, but if the consensus is to make editing difficult, I can only try to salvage my little area of edition.
Here is my edit (I was removing a div in a talk
page,
use of div is becoming more and more common, as
well
as use of anchors to support 40 or 50 kb pages)
http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Discuter:Ph%E9nix&diff=82635&...
d=82624
And here is Vincent next edit, restoring manually
all
the non-breakable spaces behind me
http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Discuter:Ph%E9nix&diff=82637&...
d=82635
I don't see how anything was "broken" by your browser and I strongly doubt that Netscape would have any such bug. Vincent inserted the s for the first time in the above edit after yours, as the page source code for the earlier revision shows. Any changes in display he noticed are likely the result of how his browser handles word/character wrapping, which may change when more words/characters are added. It could also be that he pasted the text from some word processor and inserted hard spaces in that application, which were lost during the copy and pasting.
Ah, yes, he absolutely does so. Word processor.
I know because he lectured me on the fact I didnot know the proper usage of non-breakable spaces (which I do, but do not respect in the least ;-)). He gave me a link to a page explaining how to do non-breakable spaces from my editor. He also said any decent editor was supporting writing properly good french, and that I should not edit anything even on talk pages without having first run the grammatical/typo corrector. Because my editing without accents, and with spelling mistakes on talk pages was not respectful of readers. 'Cause we were not a chat, but an encyclopedia
We've got to be serious ! This is no joke work !
:-(((((( !!!!!
But there is *no* grammatical/typo corrector on a wiki edit page :-((
All I can conclude from this comment is that he is indeed writing all what he upload to wiki on a Word (or equivalent) editor first hand. Is that usual ??? It happens I prepare long articles on Word before, or that I save text on simpletext when there are lags, to avoid loosing them, but all I write is just straight edited in wiki.
The only other person I apparently messed text a couple of times on our pump is Aoineko.
Do you remember Aoi ? Do you write sometimes your text on editors rather than on wiki edit windows ?
is quite obvious that your edits did not break anything because the s Vincent added were still there after your further edits to the same page.
Well, I will try to explain that to him But he will probably answer that I am the only one doing so with his non breakable editor spaces.
Thanks Erik
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