Wikitech-l May 2014

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Do we have any data in wikidata / wiktionary that could be used for mechanic translations?
by Petr Bena 22 May '14

22 May '14

I was looking for a free (possibly open source) provider of automatic translations for my open source application I am working on and quite had troubles finding some. Then I realized we have a project called "wiktionary" which could possibly (I was assuming it's open dictionary) help me here, but I was quite disappointed as I couldn't find any simple way to perform simple queries like: translate "banana" from english to czech I think that we could (maybe should in spirit of openness and wikiness) have some wiki-based web application that would serve this purpose - allow people query / translate simple words, but maybe even whole phrases. If anyone could edit this, maybe it would grow up into huge dictionary of all possible or frequent phrases that could be easily translated to any language on world. Do we already have anything like this?

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That you to anonymous users
by Strainu 21 May '14

21 May '14

Hi, I've recently noticed the "Thank you" feature is only available for signed-in users, while anons cannot receive "thank yous". The anonymous users are often the ones that would need encouraging the most, so it would make sense to me to have this feature available to them too. Are there significant technical problems against such a change? Thanks, Strainu

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Thank you to anonymous users
by ENWP Pine 21 May '14

21 May '14

Strainu, I can't recall what decisions were made about showing full IPv6 addresses, but I believe IPv6 can be much more revealing than IPv4, so any thanks or warning messages will be more targeted if we show full IPv6 addresses and the host networks don't take privacy measures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6#Privacy I recall hearing some discussion about privacy as well as about the effectiveness of checkuser tools concerning IPv6. I don't remember how that discussion ended, but if you can find it you might find information relevant to thanking anonymous users. FWIW I agree with Richard that if we're going to apply warning templates to IPs then we should also be able to thank them, and I'm glad someone is looking at this issue. Anything that helps editor acquisition in a cost-effective and privacy-aware way is likely to have my enthusiastic support. (: Pine > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 01:47:03 +0100 > From: Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk> > To: Editor Engagement <ee(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, Danny Horn > <dhorn(a)wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [EE] [Wikitech-l] That you to anonymous users > Message-ID: > <CAHp4nsmr5NBcgHE_tsFHhNYOzX1zbkW_yoVU-TT05kVUpfU9sg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Considering people deliver warnings via Huggle etc to IP editors, perhaps > allowing a thanks to be sent wouldn't be such a bad idea. > > I realise it's purely anecdotal, but if it was available I reckon I'd use > 'thanks' for anonymous users making changes as often as logged in editors. > > > On 21 May 2014 23:35, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > If only I was a developer of any sort ;-) > > > > > > On 21 May 2014 21:56, Fabrice Florin <fflorin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > >> Hi David, > >> > >> I am delighted that you are interested in extending the Thanks feature we > >> released last year, so it can be used to thank more users. > >> > >> I am no longer working on this project, but am not aware of any changes > >> that would make it easier to thank anonymous users: IP addresses are still > >> as unreliable now as they were a year ago. > >> > >> But I have Cc:d Danny Horn, the new product manager for core features > >> like Flow and Notifications, so he can chime in from his viewpoint. > >> > >> Personally, I would love to see the Thanks feature be used even more than > >> it is today, as it seems like such a civilized way to show appreciation to > >> each other :) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> > >> Fabrice > >> > >> > >> On May 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> On 20 May 2014 15:35, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I've recently noticed the "Thank you" feature is only available for > >> signed-in users, while anons cannot receive "thank yous". The > >> anonymous users are often the ones that would need encouraging the > >> most, so it would make sense to me to have this feature available to > >> them too. > >> Are there significant technical problems against such a change? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I asked for this on the editor engagement list too. Fabrice said: [1] > >> > >> "Sadly, we couldn't make this feature available for anonymous users, > >> as you have to be registered to receive notifications right now. This > >> is because IP addresses cannot be trusted to deliver notifications to > >> the users they were intended to. I don't expect we'll change that > >> anytime soon. We should all encourage anonymous user to register if > >> they want to enjoy the same benefits as other members." > >> > >> Fabrice, is this still the case? Are there ways around this? > >> > >> * I suppose session cookies for anons just to possibly thank them is a > >> bit excessive. > >> * Could limit "thanks" to a short time after the edit (limiting either > >> sending or receiving). > >> > >> Any other ways we could implement this with minimal false-positives on > >> thanking people? If that's considered a problem :-) > >> > >> > >> - d. > >> > >> [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/ee/2013-July/000525.html > >> > >> > >> _______________________________ > >> > >> Fabrice Florin > >> Product Manager > >> Wikimedia Foundation > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EE mailing list > > EE(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee > > > > > > > -- > Richard Nevell > Assistant Office Manager > Wikimedia UK > +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* >

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Hackathon in New York (with prizes!) on June 21
by MZMcBride 21 May '14

21 May '14

Hi. A coworker of mine passed this along today. I thought readers of this list might be interested. https://jibe-hackathon.eventbrite.com/ --- Saturday, June 21, 2014 from 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM (EDT) New York, NY Hack the Web! Join us for the Jibe Hackathon. Here at Jibe, we make the Web a better place. We build APIs where there are none, we present insights from opaque data sources, and we polish and simplify the user experience of decades-old technology. We want everyone to do the same, so we’re hosting a hackathon for making the web more useful. Hack the Web, build something awesome, and potentially win a prize! Prizes are as follows: * First place: $7,500 * Second place: $3,750 * Third place: $2,250 * Best HR-related hack: $1,500 Coding will start at 11AM and wrap up in time for demos at 8PM. Prizes will be announced around 9PM. There will be Jibe developers on hand to provide guidance and present on useful technologies and techniques like scraping, data visualization, and browser automation. Food and beverages will be provided. Full official rules can be found at http://jibe.com/hackathon-rules. Please feel free to reach out to hackathon(a)jibe.com with any questions! --- Unfortunately I know almost nothing about the sponsoring company, but it seems that while Jibe is primarily focused on human resources-related software, this hackathon is simply focused on creating a better Web. I imagine there are a few Wikimedia-related projects with the same goal. :-) MZMcBride

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Square bounding boxes + typesafe enums
by Sumana Harihareswara 21 May '14

21 May '14

Hey, developers. This week - tomorrow, 2100 UTC on Wednesday - we'll be talking about Andrew Green's "Typesafe enums" proposal https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Typesafe_enums , and looking to finish off the next step of C. Scott Ananian's "Square bounding boxes" RfC. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Square_bounding_boxes We'll be in #wikimedia-office - for YOUR time, try this: http://everytimezone.com/#2014-5-21,540,6bj Meeting page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings/RFC_review_2014-05-21 Next week we will probably be talking about Pau Giner's grid system RfC https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Grid_system and about extension management, probably on Monday the 26th and probably at a time better for Australia and Asia. -- Sumana Harihareswara Senior Technical Writer Wikimedia Foundation

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tech sessions/hackathon at Wiki Conference USA, May 30-June 1, NYC
by Sumana Harihareswara 21 May '14

21 May '14

http://wikiconferenceusa.org Organizers have posted the schedule for Wiki Conference USA (New York City, 30 May-1 June). I'm giving the opening keynote address. Tech-related topics will include: Wikidata, video content, our API, the RAMP editor, Extension:Memento, graphics, Forward to Libraries, cybersecurity, handling multiple languages on Commons, the Internet Archive's interest in past revisions, and lessons for Wikimedia from OPW. And Sunday June 1st is an all-day hackathon. You can sign up for the waitlist since registration is full; we may see some more slots as people's plans firm up. http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/FAQ#Accommodations and https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/New_york_city#Sleep might help you plan to come. -- Sumana Harihareswara Senior Technical Writer Wikimedia Foundation

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wikibugs IRC down
by John 21 May '14

21 May '14

Looks like something happened to the IRC bot. Havent seen a bug report in several hours

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GeoData now uses Elasticsearch
by Max Semenik 21 May '14

21 May '14

Hi, today GeoData spatial searches were switched from Solr to Elasticsearch, for now only on testwiki. We're going to test it there for a while before proceeding to production wikis. Suggestions where to start are welcome - while GD is populated on many projects, it is rarely used with a few exceptions: 5825 eswiki 2046 enwiki 223 zhwiki 216 svwiki 155 fawiki 130 ruwiki 100 dewiki 75 itwiki 61 frwiki 55 arwiki 54 jawiki I would like to start with one project, however only itwiki and kowiki are using Elasticsearch among large Wikipedias. And finally, appreciation: this was made possible only thanks to awesome help from our search team, Nik Everett and Chad Horohoe. You kick ass guys! -- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])

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Process for proposing Wikimedia hackathons
by Quim Gil 21 May '14

21 May '14

Hi, in Zürich I took one action to define a process to propose and select Wikimedia hackathons. The topic came when discussing how to define the location of the next European hackathon, and it was also mentioned when discussing the possibility to start organizing an annual hackathon in India. There is a draft available at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons Feedback welcome. The page includes guidelines for candidates proposing a hackathon. Even if this is a draft, I think they are already useful for anybody thinking on proposing the Wikimedia Hackathon 2015 in Europe, as well as a developer event in India or elsewhere. As soon as we agree on the basics of the draft, we will advertize it further at wikimedia-l to make sure that all chapters and other WM orgs are aware of it, and hopefully budget for it as organizers and/or travel sponsors. -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil

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Deployments of new, radically different default features
by Rainer Rillke 21 May '14

21 May '14

Recently, Media Viewer[1] (MMV) has been switched at Wikimedia Commons to be default. As some people do not care a lot for beta features or new features, do not read the mailing lists and overlook main discussion forums or are just unable to understand English, they were surprised and confused and wondered how they could disable the feature. Please help me to evaluate if there are alternatives to how software deployment is currently done. Here are some suggestions from community member Jameslwoodward (commons adminstrator): A Post a banner so that there is a good chance of actually reaching everyone. B Ensure that the internally referenced help page actually has correct information. C Major changes can be the default for new users, but should be opt-in for existing users. I think (A) could be partially done by tech-ambassadors (what a difficult word); however when deploying something like MMV to all wikis, isn't this worth a CentralNotice? (B) is as obvious as important. Outdated information is confusing. Make sure to update your help pages before going to release your software to the wild. Or delay the release until this is done. Suggestion (C) is interesting, although perhaps technically difficult to implement. If a feature that one experienced as anonymous user is good [login cookies expire, ...], or one explicitly tested the feature or was told by a fellow about a good feature, it is very likely that one will enable that feature for the account, too. People will do this freely. Without complaining. And people, who intentionally enabled a feature, usually have a positive attitude, are willing to help and improve the feature. They will provide you with constructive feedback. The overall atmosphere would be a lot more positive than that we currently experience with new tools, *the power users do not need*. So why not actively promoting a feature until there is a critical mass using it? It may take a lot of time but I think it's worth a test. A personal appeal: Please care about the power users [2]. They are the core and foundation of the WMF projects. They create the content; manage most issues - think about the OTRS team - in their spare time, ... so WMF can finally run the fundraiser banners and you can get your payment. -- Rillke [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Multimedia/Media_Viewer [2] http://www.aswedeingermany.de/50SoftwareDevelopment/20MostImportantRuleOfUI…

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