Wikitech-l September 2004

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Request for comment
by Gerard Meijssen 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

On [[wikt:nl:Egypte]] I have two things that I would like your comments for. * Under the header for pronounciation, it says on a line: * Geluid: Egypte When pressing the template for sound ( {{-sound-}}translates to Geluid ), you get a sound.howto When pressing on Egypte, the process of letting you hear Egypte will start (media) *Under the header for Translations, there are three lines for Portugese; * Indicating Portugese One line with Brazilian Portugese and the word One line with Portugese Portugese and the word With the first thing I think I give ample attention to the potential problems with sound. When there is a SAMPA transliteration, it would be on a seperate line and the SAMPA would get you to something about SAMPA, With the second thing I think I have a proper way of presenting alternate standard translations within one language. the templates used are {{pr br}} and {{pt pt}} Thanks, GerardM

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Why do I keep getting an out-of-date watchlist?
by Rowan Collins 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

Over the last few days, I've had an intermittent problem where my watchlists on both w:en: and meta: come up as though I was loading the page a day or so ago. As in, it says "..the last X changes in the last 3 days" but then begins with "29 Sep 2004" and goes back from there. Does anyone know why this is? Is it a result of overloaded servers? Or just some on-going maintenance? Or is there something more serious - a server with an incorrect internal clock, for instance? Just thought I'd ask because a) it's a bit annoying and b) if nobody who had the power to fix it knew about it, it would carry on being annoying on and off for ages. So I apologise if this is something you're already working on. -- Rowan Collins BSc [IMSoP]

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soundfiles and stuff
by Gerard Meijssen 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

Hoi, To celebrate the 5000th word of nl:wiktionary, I have uploaded 100 .ogg files to Commons. These are Dutch words pronounced by me. While doing this excercise, I have written a blurp about sound and how to handle it on Wikimedia. The piece is still in Dutch, it is still in nl:wiktionary, but I have asked the nl:wikipedia crowd to review it. When this is done, I will translate it in English and post it in Meta ? en:Wikipedia ? Please let me know.. One thing that is non obvious is that a sound file is supposed to be an image; the name for a *sound* file is: "Image:Title.ogg". Can this be changed to be Sound or something ?? I have read the posts about Firefox and the problems that we have supporting Internet Explorer. Would it be an idea to suggest that Wikimedia is best experienced with Firefox / Opera / .. I am myself a fan of Firefox, it really increases my productivity using two screens with 9 tabs on average. That is what the Firefox experience is for me :) Seriously though, when we do not allow MP3, would it not make equally good sense to suggest that our content is best experienced not using IE ?? Needless to say, we would continue the support for IE !! It only needs to be a small statement on our main page or on our user portal ... Thanks, GerardM

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Problem solving with sound
by Gerard Meijssen 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

Hoi, One difference with pictures is, that when you save a screen with a picture on it, you save the picture at the same time. When you save an "image" with a sound, you do NOT save the sound at the same time. The problem is that when people prepare their computer to use .ogg files. One stage is to check if you can hear .ogg files locally. This means that you have to HAVE an .ogg file. Yesterday I mentioned that sounds being "Image"s for wikimedia is counterintuitive, today I ask for a Sound detail screens which has the option to download the sound, Thanks, GerardM

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File upload borked
by Chong Yidong 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

On the English Wikipedia, I have been trying to upload the latest version of wikipedia-mode.el, an Emacs lisp mode for editing wikipedia articles. After submitting the file, I end up at a page that says "Warning: .el is not a recommended file format". There used to be two buttons underneath this, labelled "Upload anyway" and "Cancel", but these have disappeared, which means I'm no longer able to proceed. Can someone fix this? -- CYD

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Patch for template backlinks AKA easy template editing/viewing
by Hunter Peress 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

My idea: http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607 was denied because its similar to a fix thats in 1.4 CVS: http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143 This 143 fix is not sufficient because it makes links to templates available from the editing screen. My proposal is for a backlink (to the template itself or its edit page) to be rendered in directly in a standard article (not only on its edit page). I write this argument to the list now because if we have a link in the actual page for editing sections, then we should surely have a link helping us quickly get back to a template.

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Wikidown message - again
by Daniel Mayer 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

For the third time, this message: :Due to the ever-increasing number of people visiting Wikipedia and its sister Wikimedia projects, we have a constant need to buy new hardware to keep the site running. If you'd like to help, please [http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/fundraising donate]. is ''completely'' useless when the database server is down since the [http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/fundraising donate] link brings up the same damn message. ''Please'' create a static copy of the old fundraising page and link to that from a failsafe server. -- mav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Upload limitations
by Brion Vibber 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

We're tightening up security on the uploads due to exploitable Internet Explorer and Safari bugs that allow for scripting attacks to steal session and saved password cookies. For the moment uploads are limited to the default extension whitelist: 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'ogg'. Other types of files can't be uploaded to the wikis until we expand it again, but files already uploaded remain accessible. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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UI language switching
by zhengzhu 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

The basic functionality of switching the UI language is in CVS HEAD. I see test.wp is already running it, so please take a look. The current implementation is largely suggested by Tim Starling (at least I heard it from him...): We explicitly separate the UI language and the content language, and create two language objects: wgContLang and wgLang. wgLang is for the UI and wgContLang is for the content. The original wfMsg* functions will specifically fetch message for the UI, and wfMsgForContent() and wfMsgNoDBForContent() should be used for content. Only messages of the content language (and supported variants, such as zh-cn and zh-tw for zh) are stored in the MediaWiki: namespace. All message keys are suffixed by the language code in the namespace. For example, 'mainpage' will be 'mainpage/en' in the en site, and 'mainpage/fr' in the fr site, etc. This is mainly for the purpose of supporting multiple variants (e.g. zh-tw and zh-cn) in the namespace. Right now the UI language option is only accessible for registered users through the preference page. I think we should also place a selection box somewhere in the mainpage for anonymous users so they can choose the UI language as well. -- zhengzhu

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ANNOUNCEMENT: enotif: E-mail notification on page and user_talk page changes -- first release available CVS 1.4
by Thomas Gries 28 Sep '04

28 Sep '04

Dear members-of-the-list and especially Hans-Juergen, Nick and Chris and of course Markus: if you are interested in E-mail notification on page and user_talk page changes - we call it "enotif" - please feel kindly invited to visit the first release - the patch itself at http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454 - the documentation at http://meta.wikipedia.org/Enotif Tom and Markus September 2004

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