Wikitech-l August 2004

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[X] Yes i want to delete this,
by Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.

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Article history link
by Jens Ropers 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I would like to request the following to be improved on the Wikipedia article history pages: (observed w/ the English WP, things will likely be the same w/ other languages) Currently, all the article revisions are enumerated on the article's history pages with "oldid" links (example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml? title=Color_Graphics_Adapter&oldid=5312252) -- EXCEPT however the newest revision! The newest revision is not listed with its "oldid" link, but simply with the generic link to the article, full stop (example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Color_Graphics_Adapter). This becomes a problem when ordinary users (like myself) want to specifically link to THAT version of the article (which is currently the newest). I would like to find the "oldid" link of the newest article but I currently can't (AFAIK). One reason for someone (e.g. me) wanting to get the newest revision's "oldid"-link could be: I want to email somebody and want to ensure he/she won't be reading an article of "Bush is gaaaay" when they retrieve their email and check out the link. Currently, the only workaround (that I know) is making a trivial change to the article, saving that and thus making the last "newest" version a past revision which will be listed with an "oldid"-link. Could this be changed, so that on the history list, the top/newest link, too, would be the respective "oldid"-link? (The link to the article tab should stay generic.) It would really help a lot! Many thanks in advance! :) Thanks and regards, Jens Ropers There are two types of IT techs: The ones who watch soap operas and the ones who watch progress bars. http://www.ropersonline.com/elmo/#108681741955837683

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nice & easy: replace MediaWiki:newpageletter "N" by an <img src=.....> link
by Thomas Gries 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I do not like the bold letter "N" in my Recent Changes page; newcomers to a wiki do not know the meaning immediately. I simply replaced on the MediaWiki:newpageletter by a small image old: N new: <img src=/stylesheets/images/new.png> (copy the small image into the subdirectory or somewhere else and adapt the img src link) Tom Berlin P.S: E-Mail-Notification for changed pages and User_talk page is coming soon !! Be patient

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HTTPD cache problem w/ redirects?
by Jens Ropers 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I'm repeatedly seeing a rather strange problem: If I have made recent changes to an article (example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter), then I will NOT see these changes if I go to another machine, DO NOT log on there and view that article via a redirect. (example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CGA). I instead find myself looking at a previous article version. Logging on makes me see the new article version. Persistently refreshing the main article seems to sometimes also succeed in getting to the most recent version (but I may be mistaken.) Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks and regards, Jens Ropers There are two types of IT techs: The ones who watch soap operas and the ones who watch progress bars. http://www.ropersonline.com/elmo/#108681741955837683

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Re: [Wikitech-l] External diff engine
by leercontainer-wikimedia＠yahoo.com 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:41:05 -0700 >From: Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> <snip> > >Steinar H. Gunderson has been working on a C++ diff engine that can be >plugged into MediaWiki without too much fuss. Current 1.4 CVS has >drop-in support for it thanks to JeLuF. <snip> >-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) Might this fix bug #718089 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=718089&group_id=34… or any other History/diff bugs, or is it exactly the same just coded in C++? --Dittaeva

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anoncvs/webcvs mirror for mediawiki
by Domas Mituzas 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Hi, as SF anoncvs services are down, I've made a mirror (uff, revision-by-revision), and made a public CVS phase3 mirror. The web interface (I couldn't resist making it monobook :) can be reached at http://cvs.defau.lt/phase3/ Anoncvs repo is ':pserver:anoncvs@cvs.defau.lt:/root', module 'phase3', password empty. As proper sync took more than 24 hours (mirror had to be built revision-by-revision, doing ssh key exchange for every operation and waiting for SF servers...), even dry syncs do run more than 5 minutes, so I decided to run sync of languages/ maintenance/ and includes/ every 10 minutes, and full sync of phase3 repo every hour. It should be much faster than SF's public CVS services. Cheers, Domas P.S. I'm out for out-of-country vacation for next 10 days, so in case of mirror failure don't be too angry. Though, feedback is welcome.

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RE: [Wikitech-l] UTF-8 for nl:wikipedia
by Constans, Camille (C.C.) 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

We have no pages about utf-8 IIRC. I wait for the original developper of the conversion software, when he'll be back, in few days, I'll convert sv.wiktionary and nl.wikipedia. And maybe the others too if it works well :) For en... I wait for new servers, to make a blank test to see how many times it could take. Shaihulud >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Am Dinsdag 17 August 2004 12:53 schrieb Gerard Meijssen: >> However, as many other wikipedia like de: and es: have made the >> conversion, it is a good idea to ask for the nl:wikipedia to be >> converted. We have asked if there are people on nl: that >have opposing >> views, there were none. > >do you have a page about the conversion? > >- -- >Kai F. Lahmann > >1zu160-Bahner >http://www.1zu160.net >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFBJKcnNx16d/gd8cIRApSgAKDlVU/uw1vtP0PXTiM5ChBYJ+iWpACgz2cM >cjGI+t+Xlo7Qq3gkbvYbF7Y= >=WjFs >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >Wikitech-l mailing list >Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >

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UTF-8 for nl:wikipedia
by Gerard Meijssen 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I have been informed by Walter that nl:wikipedia had decideded quite some time ago to move to UTF-8. At the time it was not such a good idea as UTF-8 does take more room. However, as many other wikipedia like de: and es: have made the conversion, it is a good idea to ask for the nl:wikipedia to be converted. We have asked if there are people on nl: that have opposing views, there were none. As nl:wikipedia is a very active environment, some prior notice would be appreciated. Thanks, GerardM

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RE: [Wikitech-l] In CVS (was: wiki2xml : Deeds following words)
by Michael Becker 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I'm going to break out my compiler books and start working on a CFG for the wiki code based on this parser. It should not be too hard to change it if we decide not to use xml as an intermediate language. Since I know there are people out there with more experience than me, I won't be offended if someone beats me to this... On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:00:51 +0200, Emmanuel Engelhart <emmanuel(a)engelhart.org> wrote: > I was very happy, because you coded this first parser very fast. And, I support > the idea of making a real wiki parser. But, it seems that you didn't use > flex/bison or any parser generator. I think continuing in this direction, would > be a very bad idea. The best specialists use parser generators, and we are not > so good like parsing specialists... > > Emmanuel > > Selon Magnus Manske <magnus.manske(a)web.de>: > > > > > I have now created a new module in the CVS : "wiki2xml". Check it out ;-) > > > > Magnus > > > > > > Emmanuel Engelhart wrote: > > > > >>Try http://www.magnusmanske.de/wiki2xml.zip > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >My 'unzip' command can't unzip this file.... strange. > > > > > >Emmanuel Engelhart > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wikitech-l mailing list > > >Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > -- Michael Becker

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Re: UTF-8 for nl:wikipedia
by Timwi 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Gerard Meijssen wrote: > I have been informed by Walter that nl:wikipedia had decideded quite > some time ago to move to UTF-8. At the time it was not such a good idea > as UTF-8 does take more room. Who exactly is thinking that two bytes for a Cyrillic character (for example) takes "more room" than a six-character HTML entity? Timwi

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