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Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

14 Aug 2004 14 Aug '04

9:53 a.m.

Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.

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Ashar Voultoiz

14 Aug 14 Aug

10:10 a.m.

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.

Hello, At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox. -- Ashar Voultoiz

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Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

10:24 a.m.

It's not users but sysops and i think if they have that privelage they have a pretty good clue of what to delete and what not to delete. On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:10:27 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz <thoane(a)altern.org> wrote:

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.

Hello, At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox. -- Ashar Voultoiz _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

10:30 a.m.

Furthermore i'm pretty much against this "could be used in a bad way" mentality which often ends up in some "feature" which in effect makes things take a lot longer time for the people who actually volunteer to carry out these actions - like deletion. On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:24:18 +0200, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab(a)gmail.com> wrote:

It's not users but sysops and i think if they have that privelage they have a pretty good clue of what to delete and what not to delete. On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:10:27 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz <thoane(a)altern.org> wrote:

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.

Hello, At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox. -- Ashar Voultoiz _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Ray Saintonge

16 Aug 16 Aug

2:49 a.m.

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

It's not users but sysops and i think if they have that privelage they have a pretty good clue of what to delete and what not to delete. On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:10:27 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz <thoane(a)altern.org> wrote: >Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > > >>Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to >>delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by >>accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the >>checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass >>deletion. >> >> >Hello, > >At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. > I am personally against removing this checkbox. > >

A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's. The argument in support of it has nothing to do with trusting sysops; one operating is bad faith is no prevented from action by this one keystroke. Sysops can make mistakes as much as anyone else. Ec

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Timwi

17 Aug 17 Aug

7:51 a.m.

Ray Saintonge wrote:

A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's.

I would normally agree with you if we were talking only about deleting individual pages. However, when deleting quite a number of pages, that checkbox can become quite an annoyance. Maybe someone (I?) should write a feature whereby sysops can specify a list of article titles and mass-delete them with one single "safety valve". Then there should be one button for sysops to undo such a mass-deletion quickly in order to have a safeguard against sysops acting in bad faith. Timwi

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Elisabeth Bauer

19 Aug 19 Aug

7:31 p.m.

Ray Saintonge wrote:

> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > > >> Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to >> delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by >> accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the >> checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass >> deletion. >> > At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. > I am personally against removing this checkbox.

A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's. The argument in support of it has nothing to do with trusting sysops; one operating is bad faith is no prevented from action by this one keystroke. Sysops can make mistakes as much as anyone else.

I think here is a misunderstanding happening: the safety valve would still be kept, it's just the question to remove one of two additional keystrokes. To delete a page I currently have to 1) click the link "delete" 2) fill in a reason for the deletion 3) mark the checkbox "Yes, I really want to delete this page" 4) press the button "delete" How I understood Evar, he wants to have step 3) removed. My opinion: this can safely done (you still have to click two times and give a reason) Could we do this please? greetings, elian

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Ray Saintonge

20 Aug 20 Aug

2:23 a.m.

Elisabeth Bauer wrote:

Ray Saintonge wrote:

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to > delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by > accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think > the > checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass > deletion. > At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox.

A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's. The argument in support of it has nothing to do with trusting sysops; one operating is bad faith is no prevented from action by this one keystroke. Sysops can make mistakes as much as anyone else.

I think here is a misunderstanding happening: the safety valve would still be kept, it's just the question to remove one of two additional keystrokes. To delete a page I currently have to 1) click the link "delete" 2) fill in a reason for the deletion 3) mark the checkbox "Yes, I really want to delete this page" 4) press the button "delete" How I understood Evar, he wants to have step 3) removed. My opinion: this can safely done (you still have to click two times and give a reason) Could we do this please?

Deletion still works perfectly well if you leave the reasons blank. Making the reasons obligatory would be a lot more burdensome than checking a box. Ec

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Patrick Collison

9:18 a.m.

You could empirically measure whether there's any point to having the check-box with relative ease: check from usage logs what percentage of people who passed step 2 did not end up deleting the page. Chances are, it's low, and thus step 3 should go. On 20 Aug 2004, at 03:23, Ray Saintonge wrote:

Elisabeth Bauer wrote:

Ray Saintonge wrote:

> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > >> Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to >> delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by >> accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont >> think the >> checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing >> mass >> deletion. >> > > At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a > comment. > I am personally against removing this checkbox.

A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's. The argument in support of it has nothing to do with trusting sysops; one operating is bad faith is no prevented from action by this one keystroke. Sysops can make mistakes as much as anyone else.

I think here is a misunderstanding happening: the safety valve would still be kept, it's just the question to remove one of two additional keystrokes. To delete a page I currently have to 1) click the link "delete" 2) fill in a reason for the deletion 3) mark the checkbox "Yes, I really want to delete this page" 4) press the button "delete" How I understood Evar, he wants to have step 3) removed. My opinion: this can safely done (you still have to click two times and give a reason) Could we do this please?

Deletion still works perfectly well if you leave the reasons blank. Making the reasons obligatory would be a lot more burdensome than checking a box. Ec _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Timwi

14 Aug 14 Aug

8:02 p.m.

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.

I agree. Deleted pages can always be undeleted, so there's no real security problem in removing the checkbox.

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Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

15 Aug 15 Aug

5:55 p.m.

So will the change be made in a future version? On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:02:28 +0100, Timwi <timwi(a)gmx.net> wrote:

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.

I agree. Deleted pages can always be undeleted, so there's no real security problem in removing the checkbox. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Timwi

10:33 p.m.

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

So will the change be made in a future version?

You are the one who proposed this. The onus lies with you to set up a vote on Meta and convince us that the community at large really does want this change. :-)

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Ashar Voultoiz
Elisabeth Bauer
Patrick Collison
Ray Saintonge
Timwi
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason