Hi,
two days ago i submitted on Sourceforge an updated LanguageDe.php for the
German Wikipedia [1]. Unfortunately the file wasn't updated yet. Am I
too impatient or wasn't Sourceforge the right place for that? It's just
the case that we have some untranslated or bad translated phrases and
the users complain about that since a month now. As nobody has added the
missing translations I'm doing it now.
So, it would be great if someone could tell me what's the matter. :)
TIA,
Christian
[1] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=799941&group_id=34…
"Brion Vibber" wrote
> On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 20:22, David Friedland wrote:
> > I've done some testing now at home on my Mac, and neither Mac Phoenix
> > nor Mac Internet Explorer correctly display the Unicode IPA
extensions.
> > Safari displays most of them, but is missing some critical symbols,
like
> > the 'er' sound in 'her'.
>
> Is there a problem with rendering those characters, or is it just that
> standard system fonts don't include them? If the latter, are there free
> fonts we could recommend to people?
I've done some more research this morning, and below is what I have
found. The following discussion is fairly technical, so I've
cross-posted to wikitech-l, and we should probably continue the thread
there if discussion remains this technical.
The Windows font "Lucida Sans Unicode" has all the Unicode IPA
Extensions, except for #686 "LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED H WITH FISHHOOK"
and #687 "LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED H WITH FISHHOOK AND TAIL", which are
apparently only used for some obscure branch of Chinese phonetics. In
other words, it has a complete set for almost all useful purposes.
Additionally, Lucida Sans Unicode seems to be included with most recent
flavors of Windows that I have encountered, although I could be wrong. I
haven't done any Mac testing yet because I am at work and my Mac is at home.
Secondly, Windows IE can be coerced into displaying the page
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_words_of_disputed_pronunciation/IPA>
correctly by going to Tools -> Internet Options... -> Fonts... and
selecting Lucida Sans Unicode as "Web page font".
Furthermore, if a <span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'"> tag
is placed around any IPA text, the IPA will be displayed correctly
regardless of what the font setting for "Web page font" is. Of course
this also works if e.g. if the line
.ipa { font-family: "Lucida Sans Unicode" }
is included in the page's stylesheet and the <span> tag has class="ipa".
However, I don't seem to be able to put arbitrary <span> tags onto
Wikipedia pages, so I can't fix up [[List of words of disputed
pronunciation/IPA]] to display correctly by default in IE. I can insert
<div>s though, so I'm sure allowing <span>s is an easy fix. (For those
who don't know, a <span> is like a <div> except it doesn't make a new
paragraph, so it is the best way to change text style mid-paragraph)
So, what I think could be done immediately is to add the .ipa class to
the stylesheet and make some kind of wiki syntax to put <span
class="ipa"> tags around text in IPA, or least allow them to be manually
added. This will probably make most IPA text work correctly for many
more browsers than can currently view it.
Also, I agree that every instance, if not just the on each page, of IPA
text should have a link to a "IPA for English" page so people who are
unfamiliar with IPA can quickly figure out how to decipher it. I will
write that page write away.
- David
Hacking away at the dev branch...
I've switched Article to no longer be hardcoded to $wgTitle; instead a
new Article object is to be given a Title object to imprint on, which
will just happen to be $wgTitle in present usage.
I also folded together the on / off pairs for watching and protecting
pages. There's way too much code duplication here...
And there's another new file: ImagePage.php has a child class of Article
which contains the image-description-page-specific code. Article.php is
now down to an almost manageable 1107 lines, 575 lines slimmer than its
stable sibling.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Regarding Brion's point that there should be a good policy or monitoring
system of deletion/undeletion - I think that's right. But I am not sure if
all wikipedias became tolerant of unilateral deletion by admins. Have en.,
fr. and eo. all gone through that kind of change?
For one, admins on Japanese wikipedia don't delete pages uniliterally.
Stubs, testing (like "Hi there!"), pure junks (like falkjdslkjas) are turned
to blank, but people don't list them on Votes for Deletion unless the page
titles are really meaningless. There was once a discussion that we might
start deleting these stuff, but the idea was to create an expedite process
for those limited types of pages to be deleted, not uniliteral deletion.
Not that Japanese wikipedians cannot wait until others become ready, nor am
I suggesting that other wikipedias should do that (my impression is there
are really too many testing and junks at en. to be kept as blank pages), but
at least some Wikipedia is/are more or less free from that problem, I
imagine.
(Or maybe there is a tendency that wikipedia becomes tolerant of uniliteral
deletion over time, and japanese wikipedia will go down the path?)
Regarding Toby's point that DMCA protects the project - I am not very sure
about the implication of that to admins living elsewhere. There is a
japanese law defining legal responsibilities of BBS admins, etc. The law
seems to hold admins responsible if they know that illegal contents
(defamation, obscenity, copyright violation, etc.) are there, and they do
not delete illegal contents in a timely manner. And the fact that admins are
just volunteers do not seem to free from liability - there are cases where
volunteer BBS admins are found to be guilty in the court (that was a
defamation case).
The location of server is also said to be irrelevant at least in certain
cases that I looked at, when the contents are there mainly for japanese
users.
Now, my knowledge about these laws and issues of international jurisdiction
are so limited that I need more advice than stating my opinion here, but if
I have to choose now, I would not bet on the possibility that DMCA protects
all admins at Japanese wikipedia regarding copyright violations.
Regards,
Tomos
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I installed PHP and it works, and MySQL and it seems to work. However,
when I run install.php, it gives an error when trying to create the
database wiki-db, and aborts. Using the mysql.exe client, I haven't
been able to create databases with hyphens in their names, though
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Hello,
I have some extra time on my hands so I'm looking to do some development
on Wikipedia, as people always seem to be complaining about a lack of
developers.
I'm just getting the hang of things, browsing the source. I'm a good PHP
developer, but databases aren't my strong point (I can use them, but
can't really administer them).
This is just a little patch to modify the fonts of the stats section of
the colonge skin. This section is currently in serif, but the rest of
the page is in a sans font, so it looks out of
I was just planning to go through bugs and feature requests looking for
things that I can manage, is there something more pressing that you
would like to direct me to?
Also, how frequently is the English wikipedia updated to use the CVS
code?
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Jimmy Wales jwales at bomis.com
Tue Sep 2 10:27:28 UTC 2003 said:
Marco Krohn wrote:
> > On another front, it is often alleged that _true_ "fair use" of some
> > non-FDL material (both text and images) _is_ compatible with the FDL.
>
> I might missed that, but what does "true fair use" mean?
>Here's some excellent reading material:
>
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-c.ht…
The whole site is excellent.
>As you read over the case summaries, you'll begin to get a sense of
>how puzzling this doctrine can be.
Yes, that is true, but is anyone really going to sue Wikipedia because
a samll snippet of text or a photo that is informational is found on the
web site? And anyway, what are the damages; at most the statutory
damages; after reading all those cases Jimbo I am sure you can
convince a federal judge that Wikipedia should have a fair use defense.
>I think it's pretty clearly that there will be lots of cases where
>*we* are on solid ground, but where potential re-users of our content
>will not be. I think that's problematic.
Two points, first:as regards to fair use of text that is not attributed;
it probably gets edited in subsequent revisions; so when does a
collaborative text that is being changed constantly become a new text?
That would make an interesting case; might even get Wikipedia's
name into all the copyright law treatises; it is sort of like saying you
cannot make photocopies of something when you are writing a paper;
as long as the final paper is not a copy any information that was in
the photocopies does go into your paper.
Second: Is it implied that Wikipedia gives no guarantee regarding
the material posted on Wikipedia? It is true that for pictures there is an
affirmation (more reason that Wikipedia is not responsible as their are
reliance issues there). Perhaps Stallman and Lessig (and I have not
discussed that with them) see no problem with fair use stuff because
most users of the GNU FDL include warranty disclaimers as the FDL
provides for them in the last paragraph of Section 1. If subsequent
users have a problem they only have to remove the text or image;
as far as downstream distribution is concerned, one only has to include
a disclaimer regarding possible infringement. It makes perfeect sense
to disclaim copyright warranties in a wiki environment. Except for
the deletion poliicy there is no guarantee that Wikipedia is copyright
infringement free; it is the contributors that must guarantee that
not, Wikipedia; the more I think about it the more I feel that this is
the the best way to deal with the copyright/privacy rights issues on a
wiki.
There has been a recent related discussion here:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Votes_for_deletion/copyvio
Maybe adding a disclaimer is a good idea; anyway trying to keep
Wikipedia copyright pure is not a bad idea either. BTW why is there not a
little check box on the edit pages that is similar to the check box on
image upload pages giving an affirmation about the copyright of submitted
text?
Quaere: Is it possible to creat a function to delete parts of a page's
history
if the history is found to have an infringement on it. That would be a
way to clean up the many infringements that are posted on previous page
versions (which are also listed as being released under the GFDL); though
if the fair use policy applies to the current versions; there is even a
stronger
argument for fair use applying to
alex756 (remember, even though IAAL this is NALO (not a legal opinion).
Hello,
I started a Test-Wikipedia at home, and I added (in an empty
installation) some pages. Using the downloaded source from cvs.
I run into a small problem: the stats (Special:Statistics) should use
link-count (for ''good'') articles, but it keeps showing 0 (zero). After
about a week I don't looked after it, it shows a realy long (and big)
number. Not one of these two results ever have something to do with the
number of arcticles in the testwiki. All the other stats seemed to be right.
Some Script or SQL-Code to get a proper statistic page? Any idea whats
possibly wrong with the code? Or did I got a unlucky cvs checkout?
Greetings
Smurf
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