Wikitech-l March 2003

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Re: Footnotes?
by Sheldon Rampton 13 Mar '03

13 Mar '03

Thomas Corell wrote: >I see footnotes or end notes in paper-based publishing and in an >academic context, but never seen a encyclopedia with end notes. I'm pretty sure that I *have* seen encyclopedia entries with end notes, but can't swear for sure. >Don't forget possible targets like publishing Wikipedia in paper-based >form. Take a proper paper-based encyclopedia and try to imagine how bad >end-notes would look like. This argument doesn't hold up, for the following reasons: (1) The last I heard, there wasn't much chance that Wikipedia would be published anytime soon in a paper-based form. (2) Even if it *were* published in a paper-based form, it would be a trivial task to write code that would strip out end notes if so desired. Something like this would have to be done in any case for Wiki links and external hyperlinks. (Underlined text in different colors ALSO looks bad in a paper-based document, especially when there's no way to click on them and go to the hyperlinked resource.) (3) Actually, end note tags might make it *easier* to produce a paper-based document. Right now, many articles contain embedded hyperlinks that point to URLs outside of Wikipedia. Exporting those articles for use in a paper document would require someone to make a decision about what to do with those embedded hyperlinks. Do you just ignore them? Do you put them in parentheses in the middle of the article, where they would break up the text and make everything ugly? Do you stick all the embedded hyperlinks at the bottom of the article, as "pseudo end notes"? End note markup tags would give the *authors* of articles a way of indicating which of these choices they prefer, rather than leaving it up to some deterministic algorithm. -- -------------------------------- | Sheldon Rampton | Editor, PR Watch (www.prwatch.org) | Author of books including: | Friends In Deed: The Story of US-Nicaragua Sister Cities | Toxic Sludge Is Good For You | Mad Cow USA | Trust Us, We're Experts --------------------------------

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many errors
by Kurt Jansson 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

Many requests timed out in the last days, but now I'm getting error messages when I try to delete pages: ---- Fehler in der Datenbank aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie Es gab einen Syntaxfehler in der Datenbankabfrage. Das könnte eine illegale Suchanfrage sein (siehe Wikipedia durchsuchen), oder ein Softwarefehler. Die letzte Datenbankabfrage lautete: INSERT INTO brokenlinks (bl_from,bl_to) VALUES (12369,'Wohlstand'),(14498,'Wohlstand') aus der Funktion "Article::doDeleteArticle". MySQL meldete den Fehler "1030: Got error 127 from table handler". ---- And "too many connections" messages. Do we get too many visitors through google, now that we're indexed again? I have the impression that there are more anonymous edits on the German Wikipedia. Brion, maybe you could update the statistic pages for further examination. Kurt

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resend: many errors
by Kurt Jansson 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

I already send this two hours ago, but didn't get through: ----------------------------------------------------------- Many requests timed out in the last days, but now I'm getting error messages when I try to delete pages: ---- Fehler in der Datenbank aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie Es gab einen Syntaxfehler in der Datenbankabfrage. Das könnte eine illegale Suchanfrage sein (siehe Wikipedia durchsuchen), oder ein Softwarefehler. Die letzte Datenbankabfrage lautete: INSERT INTO brokenlinks (bl_from,bl_to) VALUES (12369,'Wohlstand'),(14498,'Wohlstand') aus der Funktion "Article::doDeleteArticle". MySQL meldete den Fehler "1030: Got error 127 from table handler". ---- And "too many connections" messages. Do we get too many visitors through google, now that we're indexed again? I have the impression that there are more anonymous edits on the German Wikipedia. Brion, maybe you could update the statistic pages for further examination. Kurt

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Wikisearch.php problem
by Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

Hello all, Using wikisearch utility today I have encountered this error message : Warning: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: No address associated with hostname in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/tools/wikisearch.php on line 227 Warning: file("http://es.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?search=Blasis") - Bad file descriptor in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/tools/wikisearch.php on line 227 Warning: Bad arguments to implode() in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/tools/wikisearch.php on line 227 For Swedish, Catala, Castellano. Something needs to be fixed, perhaps ? Regards, Kpjas.

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Re: Footnotes?
by Sheldon Rampton 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

Tarquin wrote: >I don't think footnotes are suitable for webpages. >Unlike paper, the user has to travel (potentially) a long way for >related information. >I have been trying to reintegrate them into the text where I see them in >articles -- I suggest we try and write without them I have to disagree. Footnotes add an additional layer of difficulty in both paper and web formats, but sometimes they're necessary. As for how far the user has to go, let me clarify my language a bit. "Footnotes" refer to the notes that appear at the bottom of the same page on which a footnote reference appears. "End notes" refer to notes that appear at the bottom of an entire article. Both notating schemes are used in academic and other paper-based publishing contexts, but the only one that could really be used on web pages would be the "end note" scheme, and that's actually what I had in mind. Instead of "footnotes," I should have written "end notes." Once that point is clarified, I think it's clear that users wouldn't have to travel any further to find the end notes in a Wikipedia article than the readers who look up end notes in a book or scientific journal. The reason for using footnotes and end notes is precisely so that readers who *don't* want to read the minutiae of documentation can skip past it, while enabling others to find that information if they so choose. This isn't necessary for all articles, but it can be a big help when writing about complex or controversial topics. For complex topics, it enables the writer to "hide" some of the complexity without ignoring it. For controversial topics, it enables the writer to provide meticulous documentation in support of assertions that readers might question, without bogging down the text. I'm not saying that anyone here *has* to use end notes, just that they should be *able* to do so if they think it's appropriate. -- -------------------------------- | Sheldon Rampton | Editor, PR Watch (www.prwatch.org) | Author of books including: | Friends In Deed: The Story of US-Nicaragua Sister Cities | Toxic Sludge Is Good For You | Mad Cow USA | Trust Us, We're Experts --------------------------------

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what's going on with wikipedia ?
by Tomasz Wegrzanowski 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

it's really slow again today

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META tags
by Magnus Manske 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

I noticed that we lost (?) the META tags from Phase II. As a reminder, we had the titles of all the links in an article as META keywords, and the first paragraph (roughly;-) as META content. Should we set this up again (more precise in Google hits)? Magnus

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Search problem - Polish Wikipedia
by Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

Hello all, I have come across this error during this complex search "Historia not informatyki" Wystąpił błąd składni w zapytaniu do bazy danych. Mogło to być spowodowane przez złe sformułowanie zapytania (zobacz Przeszukiwanie Wikipedii) albo przez błąd w oprogramowaniu. Ostatnie, nieudane zapytanie to: SELECT cur_id,cur_namespace,cur_title,cur_text FROM cur,searchindex WHERE cur_id=si_page AND ( (MATCH (si_title) AGAINST ('historia')) NOT (MATCH (si_title) AGAINST ('informatyki')) ) AND (cur_namespace=0) LIMIT 0, 20 wysłane przez funkcję "SearchEngine::showResults". MySQL zgłosił błąd "1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near '(MATCH (si_title) AGAINST ('informatyki')) ) AND (cur_namespace=0) LIMIT 0, 20' at line 1". "Historia and Polski" seems to work OK. Can you fix it ? Regards, Kpjas. --

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Re: Re: Install problem
by Leonard Tulipan 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

So, my mail-client crashed, so I'm writing this a second time I do not get a lot of debugging output. If you can help me turn on more debugging please tell me what to do. I did the following things in LocalSettings.php: $wgDebugComments = true; $wgDebugLogFile = "$wgUploadDirectory/logfile"; the logfile looks like this 20030311154840 0000.219 /admin/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Hauptseite&action=edit (proxied via xxx forwarded for 192.168.0.24) 20030311154843 0000.220 /admin/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Hauptseite&action=submit (proxied via xxx forwarded for 192.168.0.24) (xxx is the firewall) When I press the submit-botton on the edit form, I am still in the edit mode, so It doesn't exit to the normal startpage. Preview mode seems to work, so I still suspect PHP to be the wrong version. HTML Debugging shows: <body bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>  <div id='content'> So not really much info there. Can anybody tell me if updating PHP would fix this. I need a definitve yes to persuade the server maintainer to do this. If you can help me with further debugging, feel free to mail me. Cheers Leo > > It would help to diagnose the problem if you can provide a more detailed > description of the problem. If there are any error messages (in the page > or in the logs), please copy them in their entirety... > > -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Leonard Tulipan wrote: > > > Hi there! > > So I am currently installing the third wikipedia. The first two installs > > (inhouse) worked flawlessly. > > I wanted to setup a third wiki on an external server: > > Apache: 1.3.20 > > PHP: 4.0.6 > > MySQL: 3.23.44 > > > > I am guessing my problems relate to the PHP Version, since the INSTALL > > Document mentions 4.2 > > The problem seems to be with saving to the DB. It is actually able to > > access the DB. I verified this, by deliberately mistyping the username > > and getting and error, and by changing the start-text in the "cur" > > table. > > Are there any quick suggestions, or do I need to bother my provider to > > try to get this shared server updated. > > If the latter is the only options, maybe someone could point me to > > potential security problems with any of the above older software > > versions. > > > > Cheers > > Leonard

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"cleandb" script
by Lee Daniel Crocker 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

I added a script "cleandb.php" to the maintenance directory on the source. This is for use by the test suite, but I wanted to warn anyone else working on the code not to take it lightly and try it out for fun--it "cleans" the database as in wiping out its contents completely. -- Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com> <http://www.piclab.com/lee/> "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC

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