Wikitech-l August 2002

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Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] German speakers, please test
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 29 Aug '02

29 Aug '02

> French, French, French !!! Choose a volunteer, then go to http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net . Browse the new codebase in CVS, and look at the files "Language.php" and "LanguageDe.php" for an example of what needs to be done for the translation. As soon as someone makes me a "LanguageFr.php" that's reasonably complete, we can move forward.

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Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] German speakers, please test
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 29 Aug '02

29 Aug '02

>It looks like the case-fixing script was not run. Examples: > >Broken link on the main page to [[Körper des Menschen]], article is >still at [[Körper Des Menschen]]. I know I ran it; maybe I don't understand how it's supposed to work and ran it at the wrong time or something. How tricky would it be for you to update to run against the new DB format?

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Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] German speakers, please test
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 29 Aug '02

29 Aug '02

> I can't find the images. E.g. > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_am_Main > references an image which can not be found. > [[Spezial:Imagelist]] lists no images. Ah, I see what happened. For the English wiki conversion, I changed all the external links to local images into [[image:...]] references. The external references to wikipedia images on the German site really are external, though, and they probably shouldn't have been translated. On the other hand, those images really should be moved to the new site so that the wikis are more independent, so I'm inclined to think that leaving them "broken" is the right thing to do, to encourage authors toput them into the new site. I'm open to other idea though.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] German speakers, please test
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 29 Aug '02

29 Aug '02

> Your new software is up and running. I think it looks o.k., > but I'm often wrong about such things. :-) > > If this goes well, then which language is next? :-) Astronomer already did most of the Spanish translation, so that should be easy (especially since my Spanish is almost adequate to make fixes in it as well). I think the Polish guys are also hot to get started, but I haven't seen anyone step up as possible administrative help there.

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New installation issues
by James Graves 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

Hello all, I recently wanted to start up an internal wiki at work, and I wanted the best and most powerful software, so naturally I downloaded the new Wikipedia code base. I ran into a couple problems with the installation, however, and thought I'd share them with you. I used Apache 1.3.26, PHP 4.2.2, and MySQL 2.23.52. In the installation file, it should be mentioned that the register_globals setting in the PHP configuration file (php.ini) needs to be set 'On' for recent versions of PHP (4.2 and above, I believe). There are security concerns with this, as I'm sure you're all aware. There was also a problem creating the database tables. The field 'rc_cur_time' was added to the 'recentchanges' table, but was not put in the buildTables.inc script. A patch is enclosed to fix this. I had some issues with compiling and installing PHP, but other than that, no major issues. Most of the other problems were because of my unfamiliarity with PHP and MySQL. Take care, James Graves

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Rewrite rules
by Brion VIBBER 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

FYI, I've added a couple rewrite rules to the config on de-beta.wikipedia.org: RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} ([^&;]+) RewriteRule ^/wiki.cgi$ /w/wiki.phtml?title=%1 [L] RewriteRule ^/wiki.cgi$ /w/wiki.phtml With these in place, URLs in the form of: http://de.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Deutsche_Mark http://de.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Nat%FCrliche_Zahlen etc which are linked everwhere in the universe should continue to work when de.wikipedia.com becomes merely an alternate name of an upgraded de.wikipedia.org. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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wikitech-l change
by Jason Richey 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

This list's configuration has been changed. As requested, the 'Reply-To:' header will now be set to the list rather than the sender. As I understood it, I had 2 votes for the change, one against, and several people who didn't care. So, it is changed. I deeply regret any difficulty this causes. Also, the hostname should show correctly now. The list is now aware that it's address is wikitech-l(a)nupedia.com (instead of wikitech-l(a)ross.bomis.com). No vote was taken here, because I assume that the majority of the community would prefer to have a list that is not partly broken. I think that about sums it up. -- "Jason C. Richey" <jasonr(a)bomis.com>

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Internationalization issues
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

> I'm not sure I'm the right person to raise this question but > I wondered what the current thinking is on adapting the code > for other character sets. If I recall correctly we or now > assuming UTF-8, right? What exactly does that mean, btw? That > we changed the MySQL character tables for those above 7F? > Anyting else? The English Wikipedia, and the German one being tested now, are both ISO-8859-1, not UTF-8. UTF-8 will be needed for Polish and other languages. There won't be much software change involved; just telling MySQL to index the right way. As for a special notation for accented characters, I'm not fond of the idea. Foreign users should have foreign keyboards. Others should still be able to enter accents by whatever means their OS and browser allow, and I'm not aware of any that don't have some feature for it. I don't like duplicating effort that should be already done elsewhere.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] requested change for wikitech-l behavior
by Jaap van Ganswijk 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

At 2002-08-23 08:43 -0700, Jason Richey wrote: >I'm happy to make this change... Of course, I'd like to get the >general consensus first. Anybody agree/disagree/not care? > >Jason By the way, after setting the 'Reply-To:' correctly, I also wouldn't mind losing the '[list-name]' in the subject line of this (and any other) mailing list. It makes such a mess of the subject lines and it's only useful for dummies who are too stupid or lazy to set their filters correctly and since this is a list for technicians I'm quite sure it doesn't apply to any of us, but I'd very much like to hear from anyone who disagrees... Greetings, Jaap

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bugs and missing features in the conversion script of the German WP
by Kurt Jansson 25 Aug '02

25 Aug '02

There are quite some bug reports in http://de-beta.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Beobachtete_Fe hler now. Most should be easy to fix, some might already be known from the english WP, but what I think is most important are the bugs in the conversion script. So I translated these: * The conversion of article titles didn't work. So many articles are now in http://de-beta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial%3ALonelypages (e.g. [[Brian De Palma]] should have been converted to [[Brian de Palma]]). * /Talk-pages should have been converted into the Diskussion:-namespace (like the /Diskussion-pages). It didn't work, but a "See also: " (should be: "Siehe auch:") has been inserted. * I thought all old revisions since beginning of the German WP should have been integrated into the database. Or is it better to do this later? * Not very important: The Link to the Diskussion-namespace should be [[Diskussion:... instead of [[diskussion:... - easy to fix :-) The first three have already been mentioned on the old test site on http://test-de.wikipedia.com/wiki/wikipedia%3ABug+report Did anybody ever take a look at it? There has also been some discussion about how to name the German user-namespace, and we ended up with "Wikipedianer:". "namespaces" should not be translated to "Namensräume", but to "Verwandte Seiten". Kurt

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