Can we consider this text to be PD-EdictGov ?
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:PD-EdictGov
I think there is a much more important issue we should discuss.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/All_files_copyri...
The US-centric WS may neglect it because there is widespread opinion that human beeings can only live in the US but for all European Wikisource branches this is VERY VERY important. I cannot understand that the danger to loose important parts of our work doesn't matter. We can move the media from Commons to the local wikis but what if - worst case - the WMF decides not to tolerate media or TEXTS not PD in the US on WMF servers (without fair use rationale, see en WP)?
Klaus Graf
2012/1/25 John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com:
Can we consider this text to be PD-EdictGov ?
Klaus Graf, 25/01/2012 13:11:
I think there is a much more important issue we should discuss.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/All_files_copyri...
The US-centric WS may neglect it because there is widespread opinion that human beeings can only live in the US but for all European Wikisource branches this is VERY VERY important. I cannot understand that the danger to loose important parts of our work doesn't matter. We can move the media from Commons to the local wikis but what if - worst case - the WMF decides not to tolerate media or TEXTS not PD in the US on WMF servers (without fair use rationale, see en WP)?
The WMF has already decided so in 2007, as mentioned just a few days ago about it.source, which had to move texts to a WMIT-hosted server: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anthere&oldid=769... (and section above, linked there).
Nemo
The law counsel recommandation of 2007 wasn't communicated to the other WS and WE SHOULD IGNORE IT. It's clear that WMF has NOW to say what is possible in the light of the Supreme Court Decision - regarding Commons and the other WMF projects.
This is a clear issue of a WMF board resolution and not for an opinion peace on a talk page which is executed from an incompetent WS branch.
Klaus Graf
2012/1/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Klaus Graf, 25/01/2012 13:11:
I think there is a much more important issue we should discuss.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/All_files_copyri...
The US-centric WS may neglect it because there is widespread opinion that human beeings can only live in the US but for all European Wikisource branches this is VERY VERY important. I cannot understand that the danger to loose important parts of our work doesn't matter. We can move the media from Commons to the local wikis but what if - worst case - the WMF decides not to tolerate media or TEXTS not PD in the US on WMF servers (without fair use rationale, see en WP)?
The WMF has already decided so in 2007, as mentioned just a few days ago about it.source, which had to move texts to a WMIT-hosted server: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anthere&oldid=769... (and section above, linked there).
Nemo
Klaus Graf, 25/01/2012 14:00:
The law counsel recommandation of 2007 wasn't communicated to the other WS and WE SHOULD IGNORE IT. It's clear that WMF has NOW to say what is possible in the light of the Supreme Court Decision - regarding Commons and the other WMF projects.
This is a clear issue of a WMF board resolution and not for an opinion peace on a talk page which is executed from an incompetent WS branch.
I mentioned a Wikisource-specific old decision, but that's always been the established policy on all WMF wikis, which has just been confirmed by the new terms of use draft: «For clarity, applicable law includes at least the laws of the United States of America» (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#1._Our_Services). I'm not expressing an opinion about this, I've just remembered that you're not trying to prevent a possible future decision but to overturn an old established one, so it will be more difficult than you envision.
Nemo
Let me be clear:
(i) It's NOT a DECISION, it was an opinion piece by Mike Godwin ("I would recommend") and it wasn't communicated in a formal way (mailing list, meta, etc.)
(ii) At least WS de and WP de have never accepted this opinion. There are ten thousands - or more - of media on WMF servers not PD in the US (not only URAA-, but also FOP- or PD-Ineligible-related).
Klaus Graf
2012/1/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Klaus Graf, 25/01/2012 14:00:
The law counsel recommandation of 2007 wasn't communicated to the other WS and WE SHOULD IGNORE IT. It's clear that WMF has NOW to say what is possible in the light of the Supreme Court Decision - regarding Commons and the other WMF projects.
This is a clear issue of a WMF board resolution and not for an opinion peace on a talk page which is executed from an incompetent WS branch.
I mentioned a Wikisource-specific old decision, but that's always been the established policy on all WMF wikis, which has just been confirmed by the new terms of use draft: «For clarity, applicable law includes at least the laws of the United States of America» (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#1._Our_Services). I'm not expressing an opinion about this, I've just remembered that you're not trying to prevent a possible future decision but to overturn an old established one, so it will be more difficult than you envision.
Nemo
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